Obama: Working On Gun Control Under The Radar

[Nihil Obstat]

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source?
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Titular Archbishop of Canosa
Apostolic Nuncio
Permanent Observer of the Holy See to the United Nations

A native of Cuneo, in the Piedmont region of Italy, His Excellency Archbishop Celestino Migliore was born in 1952 and ordained a priest in 1977.

Having obtained his [b]master's degree in theology[/b], Archbishop Migliore pursued his studies at the Pontifical Lateran University, where he was awarded the [b]Doctorate in Canon Law[/b]. In 1980, after graduating from Pontifical Academy for Ecclesiastical Diplomacy, he joined the Holy See's diplomatic service.

He served at the Apostolic Nunciatures in Angola (1980-1984), Washington, D.C. (1984-1988), Egypt (1988-1989), and Poland (1989-1992). In April 1992 he was appointed Permanent Observer of the Holy See to the Council of Europe in Strasbourg, France, and from December 1995 to October 2002 served as Under-Secretary of the Section for Relations with States of the Secretariat of State, at the Vatican.

While in Rome, he also taught [b]Ecclesiastical Diplomacy[/b] at the Pontifical Lateran University in Rome as a Visiting Professor.

On 30 October 2002, he was nominated Apostolic Nuncio and Permanent Observer of the Holy See to the United Nations, in New York.
[url="http://worldcath2010.depaul.edu/Speakers/Migliore.aspx"]http://worldcath2010.depaul.edu/Speakers/Migliore.aspx[/url]

Edited June 1, 2011 by Nihil Obstat

[Jaime]

Thanks

And you believe that he's speaking for himself and not for the Vatican?

[Nihil Obstat]

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Thanks

And you believe that he's speaking for himself and not for the Vatican?
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What do you mean by "the Vatican"?

[Winchester]

It's a small city with lots of priests, but that's not important, right now.

[Jaime]

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What do you mean by "the Vatican"?
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You've heard of the Vatican right?


He's the Vatican representative for the UN. My assumption is that when he speaks in that role, he is speaking for the Vatican and not just offering a personal opinion.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1306896936' post='2248500']
You've heard of the Vatican right?


He's the Vatican representative for the UN. My assumption is that when he speaks in that role, he is speaking for the Vatican and not just offering a personal opinion.
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As a representitive of the government of the vatican, as a government?


Or as the the Church?

[Jaime]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' timestamp='1306897074' post='2248502']
As a representitive of the government of the vatican, as a government?


Or as the the Church?
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Ok so here's a quiz.

Who is the current leader of the Vatican (the Church)?

Who is the current leader of the Vatican (the government)?

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1306896936' post='2248500']
You've heard of the Vatican right?


He's the Vatican representative for the UN. My assumption is that when he speaks in that role, he is speaking for the Vatican and not just offering a personal opinion.
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[quote name='Don John of Austria' timestamp='1306897074' post='2248502']
As a representitive of the government of the vatican, as a government?


Or as the the Church?
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Exactly. Are you trying to say that he, for instance, is speaking with infallible Magisterial authority as a representative of the Vatican?

[Nihil Obstat]

When Celestino Migliore speaks as a UN permanent observer, I don't think we need to suggest that his statements require the assent of the faithful. I think that would be stretching his episcopal authority to a rather silly degree.

[Jaime]

[quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1306897242' post='2248504']
Ok so here's a quiz.

Who is the current leader of the Vatican (the Church)?

Who is the current leader of the Vatican (the government)?
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Nihil you can ask your learned friend if you need help

[Nihil Obstat]

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Nihil you can ask your learned friend if you need help
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Lay off. I'm not playing your games.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1306897242' post='2248504']
Ok so here's a quiz.

Who is the current leader of the Vatican (the Church)?

Who is the current leader of the Vatican (the government)?
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That is irrelevent. The temproial authority of the Church is real and important, but it is not the same as the Magestirial Authority of the Church. THe Pope favored illiam the Conquers claim tothe Throne of England, that didn't mean Harold wasn't a good Catholic.

[Jaime]

[quote name='Don John of Austria' timestamp='1306898138' post='2248513']
That is irrelevent. The temproial authority of the Church is real and important, but it is not the same as the Magestirial Authority of the Church. THe Pope favored illiam the Conquers claim tothe Throne of England, that didn't mean Harold wasn't a good Catholic.
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I disagree.

It is the Magisterial Authority that appoints the position. The person in that position speaks on behalf of the Magisterial Authority.

[Jaime]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1306897910' post='2248512']
Lay off. I'm not playing your games.
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I get it. It's hard to play with the big boys.

Feel free to insert some wacky picture with misspelled words on it if it will make you feel better.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1306901452' post='2248524']
I get it. It's hard to play with the big boys.

Feel free to insert some wacky picture with misspelled words on it if it will make you feel better.
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What do you hope to accomplish by continually mocking me? Does it make you feel like a real adult? Are the adults around you so unable to put up with you that instead you need to make fun of people half your age in order to feel that you have some sort of power?
I pity you. You have to live with yourself forever. If I chose, I'd never have to hear a single thing from you again.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff) (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1306901452' post='2248524']
I get it. It's hard to play with the big boys.

Feel free to insert some wacky picture with misspelled words on it if it will make you feel better.
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Your well trained ability to mock and speak down to others, and puff yourself up doesn't make you a big boy jaim[i]e[/i]. Sorry buddy.

Edited June 1, 2011 by KnightofChrist

[Jaime]

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What do you hope to accomplish by continually mocking me? Does it make you feel like a real adult? Are the adults around you so unable to put up with you that instead you need to make fun of people half your age in order to feel that you have some sort of power?
I pity you. You have to live with yourself forever. If I chose, I'd never have to hear a single thing from you again.
[/quote]

Look if you don't want to engage in dialogue, then yes I'm going to mock you. You get frustrated because you have a pretty good idea where I'm leading you and you can't answer on your own.

BTW you've been around here long enough to know I'm an equal opportunity mocker. I don't care if you're half my age. But if you feel intimidated, go back to dialoging with me. It's a pretty easy question

Does the leader of the Vatican, (political state) differ from the leader of the Vatican (Church)?

[Jaime]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1306902041' post='2248531']
Your well trained ability to mock and speak down to others, and puff yourself up doesn't make you a big boy jaim[i]e[/i]. Sorry buddy.
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Are you back again?


I will never believe any of your posts again KFC!

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1306902311' post='2248535']
Are you back again?


I will never believe any of your posts again KFC!
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*yawn*

[Don John of Austria]

[quote name='jaime (the artist formerly known as hot stuff)' timestamp='1306901348' post='2248521']
I disagree.

It is the Magisterial Authority that appoints the position. The person in that position speaks on behalf of the Magisterial Authority.
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you may disagree all you wan't but you are not correct, not to mention very inconsistant from year to year. The Temprotial authority of the pope, and that is role the papal nunciio has at the UN, a secular not a religious one, is seperate and distinct from his Religious authority. He is both A King and the Vicar of Christ, those offices are different, as the UN rejects Christ and everything he commands and the Popes representitive to them is not on a mission of Conversion one can only conclude that his role is as a representive of a King not of the Vicar of Christ.


Further, he made no binding statement, this was not an order, it wa a statement of opinion, even the popes opinion may be wrong. His representitive certianly can be.