If God Is All Powerful, Can He Make A Rock So Big, That Even He Cannot

[dairygirl4u2c]

i know folks have mentioned this here in passing, addressed it. but, never a devoted topic to it.

God can do anything, right?
If God is all powerful, can He make a rock so big, that even He cannot lift it?
If you say he can make the rock... then are you saying that God cannot lift it?
If you say that he can lift the rock... then are you saying that he can't make the rock so big enough?

Edited June 6, 2011 by dairygirl4u2c

[Amppax]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' timestamp='1307327886' post='2250306']
i know folks have mentioned this here in passing, addressed it. but, never a devoted topic to it.

God can do anything, right?
If God is all powerful, can He make a rock so big, that even He cannot lift it?
If you say he can make the rock... then are you saying that God cannot lift it?
If you say that he can lift the rock... then are you saying that he can't make the rock so big enough?
[/quote]

Really?

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Edited June 6, 2011 by Amppax

[xSilverPhinx]

A variant I particulary like is:

Is god powerful enough to make something more powerful than him?

[Ed Normile]

Weird thought but I will play along. If God willed a rock so big that he could not lift it, it would be so. When he willed to lift it of course he would be able to do so, as it would be His will. All things are possible with God.

ed

[HopefulBride]

ummm...








Yeah......






I have no words.

[xSilverPhinx]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1307328546' post='2250312']
Weird thought but I will play along. If God willed a rock so big that he could not lift it, it would be so. When he willed to lift it of course he would be able to do so, as it would be His will. All things are possible with God.

ed
[/quote]

That reminds me of something.

If god=infinity, then infinity [i](will the rock into existence) [/i]plus one [i](lift the rock)[/i] would also equal infinity.

I don't mean to parody this and this makes no concrete sense at all, I just like to make it fit somehow.

[HopefulBride]

[quote name='xSilverPhinx' timestamp='1307328876' post='2250315']
That reminds me of something.

If god=infinity, then infinity [i](will the rock into existence) [/i]plus one [i](lift the rock)[/i] would also equal infinity.

I don't mean to parody this and this makes no concrete sense at all, I just like to make it fit somehow.
[/quote]


What exactly is the question here?

[xSilverPhinx]

[quote name='HopefulBride' timestamp='1307329022' post='2250316']
What exactly is the question here?
[/quote]

Not a question, just playing with words.

[Nihil Obstat]

Ugh. This question was done to death... hundreds of years ago.

[XIX]

Of course He can. God can make anything.

Then He would go ahead and lift it anyway.

[dominicansoul]

well, if he can make souls stubborn enuff to refuse to Love Him, and who go through life not accepting His Church and the Fulfillment of Truth, why couldn't he make a rock that He couldn't lift?

[dairygirl4u2c]

[quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1307329674' post='2250320']
well, if he can make souls stubborn enuff to refuse to Love Him, and who go through life not accepting His Church and the Fulfillment of Truth, why couldn't he make a rock that He couldn't lift?
[/quote]

exactly, i like where he's goin with this.

i say, he can make a decision, and then it's over, if he decides it can't be undone.
then again... i think i like what poster said above said more... he can't, then he can... he can do as he pleases.
the later or the former, i like both scenarios.

[White Knight]

If God can strip Himself of his Heavenly Glory and have it veiled in a ordinary human form, while still holding on to His Divinity, Then ya I find it possible He could do even more than that. if He so choosed to. God is the God of the Impossible.


That question that you [color="#0000FF"][u][i][b]dairygirl4u2c[/b][/i][/u][/color] asked, would evenually lead to the question of something much bigger than a Rock, which has been over done. No offense.

Could God ever cease to be God? would be the most logically result of the rock question, no matter how it was answered.


God Bless You.

Edited June 6, 2011 by White Knight

[MithLuin]

Logic Fail

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Logic games aside, God is omnipotent.

[Luigi]

Please!

My seventh grade (non-Catholic) religion teacher used to whip this shift on us when we were 12 and 13 years old.

It has about as much relevance as asking, "How would World War II have been different if Eleanor Roosevelt could fly?" See old Saturday Night Live shows for that answer.

The asnwer is that God doesn't have a body, so s/he doesn't go around lifting rocks. Get off the physical plane and think spiritually.

In other words, buy a vowel and try to solve this puzzle.

Edited June 6, 2011 by Luigi

[southern california guy]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' timestamp='1307327886' post='2250306']
i know folks have mentioned this here in passing, addressed it. but, never a devoted topic to it.

God can do anything, right?
If God is all powerful, can He make a rock so big, that even He cannot lift it?
If you say he can make the rock... then are you saying that God cannot lift it?
If you say that he can lift the rock... then are you saying that he can't make the rock so big enough?
[/quote]

Is it logical that a being exists who can do absolutely anything? No.. Are there things in this world that we didn't used to be able to describe and understand through science, but we can now? Yes.. Is god scientifically possible? Probably not.

But there is good and bad in the world. Those aren't terms that relate to science. And we are alive and experiencing life and we want to live a good one.

It could be argued that Christians behave the way that they do because of the Bible. And people can try to argue that living according to the Bible doesn't make logical sense. However, if you're an atheist you might argue that the Bible makes logical sense. You see instead of people being a product of the Bible, the Bible is a product of people -- over a very long period of time. And if nothing else it contains philosophy that has withstood the test of time. Doubting the philosophy taught in the Bible is foolish -- even if there isn't a god.

It seems to me that the logical arguments aimed at disproving god are the first step in attempting to argue against the morality taught in the Bible, when they are in fact totally different things.

This gets back to the "objective morality" debate.

Edited June 6, 2011 by southern california guy

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='Luigi' timestamp='1307337575' post='2250357']
Please!

My seventh grade (non-Catholic) religion teacher used to whip this shift on us when we were 12 and 13 years old.

It has about as much relevance as asking, "How would World War II have been different if Eleanor Roosevelt could fly?" See old Saturday Night Live shows for that answer.

The asnwer is that God doesn't have a body, so s/he doesn't go around lifting rocks. Get off the physical plane and think spiritually.

In other words, buy a vowel and try to solve this puzzle.
[/quote]

So, you do believe Jesus is God? I mean he does have a physical body.

ed

[arfink]

The way I have had this explained to me is that the argument ceases to make sense when you consider that God and material things are very different. A rock is a material thing, which means it needs to be finite, no matter how large. God, on the other hand, is not finite. Now, in science, we would say that to move an object of an infinite size or mass you would require an infinite amount of energy to move it. So even if God decided to break the laws of physics and make a non-finitely sized rock, his infinite power would always be able to move it.

Now of course, you may say, what if he intended it to be un-liftable, in defiance of all physics? The response would be that God would never intend to will something he cannot do- his will is perfect. But of course, he could just decide to blow your mind and do it anyway, he has been known to do that. He's God. This is one of those questions that can't be easily answered precisely because we lack a full understanding of who God is and how his will works, which is extremely mysterious.

Edited June 7, 2011 by arfink

[Luigi]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1307414271' post='2250678']
So, you do believe Jesus is God? I mean he does have a physical body.

ed
[/quote]

Of course I believe that Jesus is God. But the question was, "Can God make a rock...?" Most people interpret the question to mean can God the Father-Creator make a rock ....? I suppose God the Father could make a rock and order his son to lift it, but that would require the Second Coming, at which point lifting rocks becomes kind of irrelevant.

[Luigi]

Besides, God wouldn't bother to lift the rock. If he has faith to move mountains, I think he (the Father OR the Son) would just say, "Rock, get outta my way" without bothering to lift.

Edited June 7, 2011 by Luigi