Sirklawd Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 [quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1310830310' post='2268218'] sorry...gotta do it. in greatest charity and love... teen Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion or teen EMHCs love ya! [/quote] oops! right
Nihil Obstat Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 [quote name='Sirklawd' timestamp='1310784921' post='2268045'] its a completely dangerous and tragic thing, even if that person is genuine and trying to do their best. No one should be left alone like that, with all that weight on their shoulders. Especially not a layperson. Personally, I dont think a youth minister can do it alone. Lifeteen strictly suggests the YM get a core team of laypeople (and religious if available) to help, and after 4 years I can't agree more. That way all the various needs of running the group are met (including charisma), and the Holy Spirit is allowed to work in and through even more lives. Also ideally, the youth minister is backed up by the pastor, and that the pastor is involved enough with the youthgroup to know if the teachings are true. But you dont have to look very far in this country to find burnt-out or uninterested pastors. [/quote] That's one of several reasons that those youth programs never did, and never can speak to me in any relevant way.
add Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Sirklawd' timestamp='1310829507' post='2268215'] if you haven't seen it, it must not be true? I believe it would be really helpful to this discussion if you actually explain what "summarizes precisely what I find offensive with lifeteen" means. You seem to criticize lifeteen for not being traditional or being faithful to the church, and then criticize me when I hold other people up to that same standard. This seems to indicate we're just trying to meet [i]your[/i] standards. Also do you care to acknowledge any of the other things I mentioned? Did you watch the video? You should, it addresses some of your issues. [/quote] you have stated: [list=1][*]that Catechism classes/Confirmation classes isn't doing a good enough job[*]LifeTeen (as it is now, not as it started) is the best thing that is happening to the church in the next 30 years. Period. When this generation gets older and is in charge, the lion of the church will be awake again, and the flabby, flacid, apathetic, watered-down modernist evil that has infected the church the last 30 years will finally be driven out.[*] you dont have to look very far in this country to find burnt-out or uninterested pastors.[/list]with all due respect, you are full of baloney lifeteen mass is for and about minor adults only. the 5th commandment gives the parent not only the authority but also the obligation to raise there offspring in the catholic faith. part of that responsibility is adhering to the 3rd commandment, lifeteen mass excludes family by design and is flawed in that way. traditional Sunday mass with the whole family together with the parish community is true! lifeteen mass is family valueless Edited July 16, 2011 by add
Sirklawd Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 [quote name='add' timestamp='1310840503' post='2268250'] you have stated: [list=1][*]that Catechism classes/Confirmation classes isn't doing a good enough job[*]LifeTeen (as it is now, not as it started) is the best thing that is happening to the church in the next 30 years. Period. When this generation gets older and is in charge, the lion of the church will be awake again, and the flabby, flacid, apathetic, watered-down modernist evil that has infected the church the last 30 years will finally be driven out.[*] you dont have to look very far in this country to find burnt-out or uninterested pastors.[/list]with all due respect, you are full of baloney lifeteen mass is for and about minor adults only. the 5th commandment gives the parent not only the authority but also the obligation to raise there offspring in the catholic faith. part of that responsibility is adhering to the 3rd commandment, lifeteen mass excludes family by design and is flawed in that way. traditional Sunday mass with the whole family together with the parish community is true! lifeteen mass is family valueless [/quote] so you didn't read/watch any of the links? if your lifeteen mass, or one that you know of, is kicking out parents at the door, and locking them out you need to notify your pastor and bishop. I stand by my comments. Why am i full of baloney?
Sirklawd Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1310832514' post='2268225'] That's one of several reasons that those youth programs never did, and never can speak to me in any relevant way. [/quote] i'm not sure I follow you here. Can you elaborate? Many DRE's are in the same sort of "on their own" position too. Not saying it's good. It just is.
add Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Sirklawd' timestamp='1310841946' post='2268260'] so you didn't read/watch any of the links?[color="#0000FF"] i looked at your links, look at this link - [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmPRHJd3uHI&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.c...feature=related[/url] [/color] if your lifeteen mass, or one that you know of, is kicking out parents at the door, and locking them out you need to notify your pastor and bishop. [color="#0000FF"]isn't it a lifeteen mass[/color], [color="#0000FF"]for geared exclusively teens ?[/color] I stand by my comments. Why am i full of baloney? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmPRHJd3uHI&feature=related[/media] [/quote] Edited July 16, 2011 by add
Brother Adam Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 [quote name='add' timestamp='1310840503' post='2268250'] you have stated: [list=1][*]that Catechism classes/Confirmation classes isn't doing a good enough job[*]LifeTeen (as it is now, not as it started) is the best thing that is happening to the church in the next 30 years. Period. When this generation gets older and is in charge, the lion of the church will be awake again, and the flabby, flacid, apathetic, watered-down modernist evil that has infected the church the last 30 years will finally be driven out.[*] you dont have to look very far in this country to find burnt-out or uninterested pastors.[/list]with all due respect, you are full of baloney lifeteen mass is for and about minor adults only. the 5th commandment gives the parent not only the authority but also the obligation to raise there offspring in the catholic faith. part of that responsibility is adhering to the 3rd commandment, lifeteen mass excludes family by design and is flawed in that way. traditional Sunday mass with the whole family together with the parish community is true! lifeteen mass is family valueless [/quote] Life Teen recognizes and encourages parents to be the primary educators of their children's faith. It also recognizes that teens want to spend time together and that it is healthy for them to do so in their communities. Even better if they are spending time worshiping God. Life Teen Masses are not "family valueless" (that phrase, by the way, is gibberish, but we get what you are trying to say) - every Mass is open to every person. I haven't been to a Life Teen Mass where families aren't worshiping together. If some parishes are taking Life Teen too far, that is not a reflection of Life Teen, but the parish. We could equally as much open a thread on a 'civilized discussion about the EF" where we start bashing those EF parishes that are lifeless, loveless, filled with angry and rude members, and pastors who think everyone is going to hell. That is not a deficiency in the EF, but in those running the parish.
add Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 [quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1310843979' post='2268271'] Life Teen recognizes and encourages parents to be the primary educators of their children's faith. It also recognizes that teens want to spend time together and that it is healthy for them to do so in their communities. Even better if they are spending time worshiping God. Life Teen Masses are not "family valueless" (that phrase, by the way, is gibberish, but we get what you are trying to say) - every Mass is open to every person. I haven't been to a Life Teen Mass where families aren't worshiping together. If some parishes are taking Life Teen too far, that is not a reflection of Life Teen, but the parish. We could equally as much open a thread on a 'civilized discussion about the EF" where we start bashing those EF parishes that are lifeless, loveless, filled with angry and rude members, and pastors who think everyone is going to hell. That is not a deficiency in the EF, but in those running the parish. [/quote] im sorry, what does ef stand for?
cmotherofpirl Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 [quote name='add' timestamp='1310768105' post='2267951'] [b]Life Teen's program can be good, however, they often perform all kinds of liturgical abuses during the in mass favor of creating a "lively spirit" for the kids. This amounts to a Protestantization of the Holy mass. Life teen's founder has recently been excommunicated by the church. He was excommunicated for founding a interfaith prayer group.... in other words for founding a schismatic group, and in a sense becoming too protestant. (Not to mention Msgr. Dale Fushek's criminal record with children... He has had seven misdemeanor counts including contributing to the delinquency of a minor, indecent exposure and assault.) This is what happens when people pray like protestants... they become protestants. We need to make sure we are praying like Catholics, not protestants, or we and our kids will loose the catholic faith and get a Protestantized version of it. [/b] [/quote] Kindly stop condemning an [i]entire[/i] organization because of the sins of several of the members, its unkind, uncharitable and probably slander, you know the very tactics used against the Catholic Church on a daily basis. Lifeteen like EVERY other program in existence is only as good or bad as the local people running it.
Brother Adam Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 And once again I would like to ask that this thread be closed due to the unhealthy obsession some people have with the group.
add Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 [quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1310850854' post='2268318'] And once again I would like to ask that this thread be closed due to the unhealthy obsession some people have with the group. [/quote] amen
Vincent Vega Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 [quote name='add' timestamp='1310848018' post='2268298'] im sorry, what does ef stand for? [/quote] Extraordinary Form (of the Mass).
add Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1310852145' post='2268332'] Extraordinary Form (of the Mass). [/quote] 'civilized discussion about the Extraordinary Form (of the Mass)." is a lifeteen mass considered Extraordinary ?
Vincent Vega Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 [quote name='add' timestamp='1310852614' post='2268336'] 'civilized discussion about the Extraordinary Form (of the Mass)." is a lifeteen mass considered Extraordinary ? [/quote] No.
add Posted July 16, 2011 Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1310853111' post='2268343'] No. [/quote] O, i see. Pardon my ignorance, but, what is or what makes for an EF Mass, then? Edited July 16, 2011 by add
add Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 (edited) [quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1310850048' post='2268309'] Kindly stop condemning an [i]entire[/i] organization because of the sins of several of the members, its unkind, uncharitable and probably slander, you know the very tactics used against the Catholic Church on a daily basis. Lifeteen like EVERY other program in existence is only as good or bad as the local people running it. [/quote] if anyone has been slandered, it was by there own words Edited July 17, 2011 by add
Vincent Vega Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 [quote name='add' timestamp='1310853257' post='2268344'] O, i see. Pardon my ignorance, but, what is or what makes for an EF Mass, then? [/quote] All of the cited and accurate information you could ever want here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_form_of_the_Roman_Rite
add Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1310866882' post='2268477'] All of the cited and accurate information you could ever want here: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_form_of_the_Roman_Rite"]http://en.wikipedia...._the_Roman_Rite[/url] [/quote] [quote]We could equally as much open a thread on a 'civilized discussion about the EF" where we start bashing those EF parishes that are lifeless, loveless, filled with angry and rude members, and pastors who think everyone is going to hell. That is not a deficiency in the EF, but in those running the parish.[/quote] is the Traditional Latin Mass the EF you are talking about? i like tradition and Latin is cool
cmotherofpirl Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 [quote name='add' timestamp='1310864487' post='2268448'] if anyone has been slandered, it was by there own words [/quote] No. Anyone who condemned an entire organization because of the actions of a few was the culprit. Generalizations are the result of sloppy thinking and expression.
add Posted July 17, 2011 Posted July 17, 2011 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1310910799' post='2268720'] No. Anyone who condemned an entire organization because of the actions of a few was the culprit. Generalizations are the result of sloppy thinking and expression. [/quote] my case in point
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