Brother Adam Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 [quote name='Ice_nine' timestamp='1310242320' post='2265036'] Do guys have to be modest too? I often hear guys retort with a joke like "lol there's nothin' sexy about my beer gut hanging out over my swim shorts so I doubt I'm tempting anyone lol" but I guess some women could use the same argument (myself included ). But is it ok for men to walk around half-naked but not ok for women? And why? [/quote] I don't think women want to see a gut hanging out over shorts anyway (or other men). Men can be immodest in their swimwear, however there is a biological difference between men and women.
Jesus_lol Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 I think if Adam and eve can get by with fig leafs, I'll be fine with swimshorts and bikinis.
Basilisa Marie Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 [quote name='Ice_nine' timestamp='1310242320' post='2265036'] Do guys have to be modest too? I often hear guys retort with a joke like "lol there's nothin' sexy about my beer gut hanging out over my swim shorts so I doubt I'm tempting anyone lol" but I guess some women could use the same argument (myself included ). But is it ok for men to walk around half-naked but not ok for women? And why? [/quote] It depends. I would argue that it's not okay for guys to run around in swim trunks and no shirt in order to attract the ladies, just like women who sunbathe in skimpy clothes to get stares from guys. But I don't see the harm in a guy going shirtless in the water and then covering up once he gets out. Guys get left out of most modesty talks because women aren't as visually motivated, but it's important to note that just because we aren't AS visually motivated, doesn't mean we AREN'T. It's harder for men to have clean thoughts about a woman in a bikini than a woman to have clean thoughts about a man in board shorts. But those "eye candy" sections of "girly magazines" with shirtless, muscular men sell for a reason. So yeah, I'd argue that men should throw a shirt on most of the time, but if they're coming out of the water or something similar, it's not a big deal.
Jesus_lol Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) [quote name='MissScripture' timestamp='1310243894' post='2265047'] Adam and Eve were married. [/quote] so only married people get to wear bikinis... loud and clear! or can they also wear fig leafs to the beach? not practical, but oh so fashionable Edited July 9, 2011 by Jesus_lol
Basilisa Marie Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 [quote name='MissScripture' timestamp='1310243894' post='2265047'] Adam and Eve were married. [/quote] AND there wasn't anyone else around to gawk at them.
MissScripture Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 [quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1310244511' post='2265049'] It depends. I would argue that it's not okay for guys to run around in swim trunks and no shirt in order to attract the ladies, just like women who sunbathe in skimpy clothes to get stares from guys. But I don't see the harm in a guy going shirtless in the water and then covering up once he gets out. Guys get left out of most modesty talks because women aren't as visually motivated, but it's important to note that just because we aren't AS visually motivated, doesn't mean we AREN'T. It's harder for men to have clean thoughts about a woman in a bikini than a woman to have clean thoughts about a man in board shorts. But those "eye candy" sections of "girly magazines" with shirtless, muscular men sell for a reason. So yeah, I'd argue that men should throw a shirt on most of the time, but if they're coming out of the water or something similar, it's not a big deal. [/quote] And guys should NEVER EVER WEAR SPEEDOS! EVER. AT ALL. *shudders* [quote name='Jesus_lol' timestamp='1310244563' post='2265050'] so only married people get to wear bikinis... loud and clear! or can they also wear fig leafs to the beach? not practical, but oh so fashionable [/quote]
Lil Red Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 [quote name='Ice_nine' timestamp='1310242320' post='2265036'] Do guys have to be modest too? I often hear guys retort with a joke like "lol there's nothin' sexy about my beer gut hanging out over my swim shorts so I doubt I'm tempting anyone lol" but I guess some women could use the same argument (myself included ). But is it ok for men to walk around half-naked but not ok for women? And why? [/quote] both my son (2 years old) and my daughter (4 years old) wear swim shorts and a swim shirt. i also got a hand-me-down one piece for daughter that fits nicely.
Lilllabettt Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 I use splashgear, its great. If you are uncomfortable going so over-the top with coverage, I recommend [url="http://modestsea.com/yasmin"]Modest Sea[/url] ... it is modest swimwear but it is actually DESIGNED to be eye-catching and aesthetically pleasing.
Lil Red Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 [quote name='Lilllabettt' timestamp='1310245304' post='2265059'] I use splashgear, its great. If you are uncomfortable going so over-the top with coverage, I recommend [url="http://modestsea.com/yasmin"]Modest Sea[/url] ... it is modest swimwear but it is actually DESIGNED to be eye-catching and aesthetically pleasing. [/quote] they're proud of their stuff, huh?
homeschoolmom Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1310229642' post='2264961'] I, for one, think it's great that you're so close with your designated driver that you shop for swimwear together! [/quote] [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1310230075' post='2264971'] [/quote]
Lilllabettt Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1310245878' post='2265062'] they're proud of their stuff, huh? [/quote] Oh yeah, there's an entire section of NYC full of Orthodox Jewish design houses. Very serious about what they do - many of them are educated at Parsons. They make a mint on "modest" bridal couture alone. Edited July 9, 2011 by Lilllabettt
IgnatiusofLoyola Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 [quote name='Brother Adam' timestamp='1310243009' post='2265041'] I don't think women want to see a gut hanging out over shorts anyway (or other men). Men can be immodest in their swimwear, however there is a biological difference between men and women. [/quote] I wear a modest tankini. Frankly, now that I am over 40, I have become invisible to the opposite sex anyway. Plus, I think it's a good "life lesson" for teenage boys to see what happens to a woman's body after she is 40. Brother Adam--Tell me when your next youth group swimming outing is, and I'll show up. I guarantee that afterwards at least 5 of your teenage males will suddenly realize they have a vocation! Tiny bikinis, no. Even a T-shirt over them doesn't help much. There are LOTS and LOTS of fashionable modest swimsuits now. Lack of selection is no excuse. The Lands' End catalog has a HUGE selection of modest swimsuits. To me, a modest one-piece suit or tankini should be fine. But, half of the responsibility for impure thoughts is the man's. If a man cannot swim near a woman wearing a modest one-piece or tankini without having mortal sin thoughts, then the man should only swim alone or when it's "men-only." If a woman WANTS to dress even more modestly, that's fine. But, I don't think young women should be guilted into wearing long pantaloons and long-sleeves unless they want to. The young men have to take SOME responsibility for their thoughts.
XIX Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 [quote name='Ice_nine' timestamp='1310242320' post='2265036'] Do guys have to be modest too? I often hear guys retort with a joke like "lol there's nothin' sexy about my beer gut hanging out over my swim shorts so I doubt I'm tempting anyone lol" but I guess some women could use the same argument (myself included ). But is it ok for men to walk around half-naked but not ok for women? And why? [/quote] Wearing a shirt is probably a good idea. Modesty, avoid sunburn (and skin cancer!!), and you don't have to worry about losing your scapular in the water.
IgnatiusofLoyola Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 (edited) [quote name='XIX' timestamp='1310247450' post='2265077'] Wearing a shirt is probably a good idea. Modesty, avoid sunburn (and skin cancer!!), and you don't have to worry about losing your scapular in the water. [/quote] Wearing a T-shirt for men is good. Women don't necessarily want to look at your beer gut--or the opposite--your scrawny chest. As for the bottoms, I prefer loose swim shorts on men--and not too short. Speedos make me embarrassed. If a guy feels a need to "show his stuff" in a tight bathing suit, I figure he has his underwear stuffed in there, too, to hide his "shortcomings." Edited July 9, 2011 by IgnatiusofLoyola
Maggyie Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 The argument your DH makes about modesty being a cultural construct is very true. For instance even a very modest woman nowadays (ankle length skirt, wrist length turtleneck) would be considered immodest using the standards of Jesus' time (cover that hair!). It's also true that in other parts of the world the breasts are not sexualized, being seen simply as practical appendages for breastfeeding babies. Men don't blink twice at seeing breasts; those cultures tend to get hot and bothered about women's legs instead. Keep in mind a topless native woman once did a reading at a papal Mass (I forget which of John Paul II's trips it was). However I don't think it's true just yet that women 's chests have been de-sexualized in the US. Clearly not. Maybe one day? If all the people who should NOT be wearing bikinis from an aesthetic point of view keep wearing bikinis, maybe the female form will lose some its intrigue. The muffin top bikini does not turn anyone on!!!! Shabby Apple has some nice, more modest swimwear. It's not full-coverage by any stretch of the imagination but it's quite good enough I think. [url="http://www.shabbyapple.com/c-55-swim.aspx?pagesize=9999"]http://www.shabbyapple.com/c-55-swim.aspx?pagesize=9999[/url]
ThePenciledOne Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 [quote name='Ice_nine' timestamp='1310242320' post='2265036'] Do guys have to be modest too? I often hear guys retort with a joke like "lol there's nothin' sexy about my beer gut hanging out over my swim shorts so I doubt I'm tempting anyone lol" but I guess some women could use the same argument (myself included ). But is it ok for men to walk around half-naked but not ok for women? And why? [/quote] Um.....I don't necessarily get that argument at all. Plus, women and men are wired differently in that way, from my experience so I would say no. I come from beach town, so nothing surprises me at all anymore... But if women would learn exactly what size they are, that would save a lot of modesty talk to begin with.....
carmenchristi Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 [quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1310245185' post='2265058'] both my son (2 years old) and my daughter (4 years old) wear swim shorts and a swim shirt. i also got a hand-me-down one piece for daughter that fits nicely. [/quote] When I was 4 years old I wore my birthday suit to go swimming.... at most a pair of undies! Then again, my parents never could get me to stay dressed at that age. I never was a big fan of overly constricting clothing... and look where I ended up!
MissScripture Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 [quote name='carmenchristi' timestamp='1310249013' post='2265087'] When I was 4 years old I wore my birthday suit to go swimming.... at most a pair of undies! Then again, my parents never could get me to stay dressed at that age. I never was a big fan of overly constricting clothing... and look where I ended up! [/quote] When my uncle was little, before his bath, he would take off all his clothes, run out to give his dad a goodnight kiss out in the garden and then back into the house, take a bath and go to bed. He said that stopped the time the little girls from down the street were coming up the driveway to use the phone.
Basilisa Marie Posted July 9, 2011 Posted July 9, 2011 [quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' timestamp='1310247450' post='2265076'] But, half of the responsibility for impure thoughts is the man's. If a man cannot swim near a woman wearing a modest one-piece or tankini without having mortal sin thoughts, then the man should only swim alone or when it's "men-only." If a woman WANTS to dress even more modestly, that's fine. But, I don't think young women should be guilted into wearing long pantaloons and long-sleeves unless they want to. The young men have to take SOME responsibility for their thoughts. [/quote] [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/like.gif[/img]
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