vee Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Without the right to life from the moment of conception to natural death nothing else matters. If that isnt protected and respected first then all else is in vain.
vee Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Our rights come from God not a government and it is the government's responsibility to protect all of its citizens, even those in the womb. If this is not done then they are not doing their job properly.
vee Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 [quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1317589329' post='2314075'] He negotiated an agreement with Russia to reduce the number of nuclear weapons both of our countries have by 1/3. [/quote]
Vincent Vega Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1317590064' post='2314080'] Right...I'm only thinking of myself. Well then, I guess we'll agree that you can keep only thinking about the rights of the unborn, and I'll think about those while also clothing the naked, feeding the hungry, sheltering the homeless and educating the ignorant. All I meant was that even if people think he's the worst president ever, you can't deny that he has done SOME THINGS for this country. [/quote] Because the ends justify the means, right? Edited October 2, 2011 by USAirwaysIHS
thessalonian Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 [quote name='MaterMisericordiae' timestamp='1317557442' post='2313844'] Isn't FUS a private university? I thought private institutions were not government mandated, and therefore immune to their control. It's ridiculous how bad Obama's administration has gotten. They are out of control. I really cannot wait until he is out of office. [/quote] The new rules coming out in the next few months really narrow the definition of private institutions that exempts them. They pretty much have to be all Catholic employees serving all catholic clients.
Basilisa Marie Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1317591381' post='2314108'] Because the ends justify the means, right? [/quote] Lol, I'm confused as to what you mean. I don't know...I guess I just don't like it when people seem to ignore the entirety of Catholic Social Teaching in favor of fighting abortion. I mean, that's all God cares about, right? If God only cares about the unborn, then why should we care about anyone else?
add Posted October 2, 2011 Author Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1317589329' post='2314075'] Exactly. HEALTH INSURANCE. Just because Steubenville is one of many faithful Catholic institutions affected doesn't mean it's personally under attack, and to paint the picture as such is what I was calling inflammatory rhetoric. [/quote] [quote]require all individual and group health insurance plans, including self-insured plans, to cover all FDA-approved contraception and sterilization procedures[/quote] Being required to provide "all FDA-approved contraception and sterilization procedures" is hardly rhetoric. Besides abortion is not healthcare, by all definition this contraceptive procedure is [b][u]MURDER[/u]. [/b] You mentioned getting your health insurance due to the generosity of my parents, this extra coverage does have a cost, nothings free, your Mom and Dads premiums will go up. Also: In theory then, some (generous) parents could be paying for the abortion of there own grandchildren (with or without there knowledge or consent). Edited October 2, 2011 by add
Winchester Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 I had this image of a giant, rampaging Obama destroying the campus and a bunch of St. Francis look-a-likes running in terror.
vee Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) [quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1317591633' post='2314117'] Lol, I'm confused as to what you mean. I don't know...I guess I just don't like it when people seem to ignore the entirety of Catholic Social Teaching in favor of fighting abortion. I mean, that's all God cares about, right? If God only cares about the unborn, then why should we care about anyone else? [/quote] THOU SHALL NOT KILL ([mod]warning: graphic picture beneath the spoiler tags.[/mod] [spoiler] [img]http://prolife101.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Baby-8-Weeks-Aborted.jpg[/img] [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_7tPvRQQFGDY/SpKEolElxlI/AAAAAAAACaI/Snjo7DmQiGk/s400/abort7.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Abortion%20is%20Murder/aborted_7_month_fetus.jpg[/img] [/spoiler] [font=VERDANA, ARIAL, HELVETICA]Human rights are not a privilege conferred by government. They are every human being's entitlement by virtue of his humanity. The right to life does not depend, and must not be declared to be contingent, on the pleasure of anyone else, not even a parent or a sovereign." Mother Theresa [/font] Whatever you did to the least of them you did to me Edited October 3, 2011 by Lil Red added spoiler tags
Basilisa Marie Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 [quote name='add' timestamp='1317594859' post='2314145'] Being required to provide "all FDA-approved contraception and sterilization procedures" is hardly rhetoric. Besides abortion is not healthcare, by all definition this contraceptive procedure is [b][u]MURDER[/u]. [/b] You mentioned getting your health insurance due to the generosity of my parents, this extra coverage does have a cost, nothings free, your Mom and Dads premiums will go up. Also: In theory then, some (generous) parents could be paying for the abortion of there own grandchildren (with or without there knowledge or consent). [/quote] 1. I said that stating that Franciscan is personally under attack is rhetoric, not that the attacks on insurance companies were rhetoric. Hence my original reply about how we should focus less on how terrible this is for Franciscan and more on all Catholic insurance agencies. Because the original post made it sound (at least to me) like Obama was personally attacking Franciscan, which isn't true. 2. I want to make it clear that I never said I wasn't pro-life. I am pro-life. I believe abortion is murder. I get frustrated when people refuse to recognize the (what may be seen as little) good Obama HAS done, despite the fact that he's not pro-life and for these rather terrible insurance demands. You can't say he hasn't done ANYTHING. That is just a lazy statement and ignoring the facts. Abortion is not my personal political cause. I believe that I can be pro-life while not devoting my entire political energy to it. I also believe that if we ignore the full picture of what every politicians does, we make ill-informed decisions as voters. 3. Premiums may go up, but it'll still be far less expensive then me having to get my own health insurance at the moment. They're generous to keep declaring me as a dependent in that sense, until I can get a real job after I get my degree. I'm just saying this as an example of one good thing Obama has done to help Americans, when others were proposing that he hadn't done a single thing to help America. 4. Paying for the aborting of their own grandchildren? Isn't this why we need to focus on this problem affecting insurance companies in general? Then I agree with you.
Basilisa Marie Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 (edited) What the heck, you guys?!!!!! I never said I wasn't pro-life. I'm Catholic - of course I'm pro life! I don't NEED your "Face the Truth" style disgusting pictures. I'm actually a bit insulted that you think I do. You just confirmed what I said ([i]sarcastically...[/i]clearly that is lost in this forum) about only caring about one part of Catholic Social Teaching. Yes it's an important issue. But can you recognize that other things are important AS WELL? I'm done here. Clearly no one is actually taking the time to read what I have to say or take me seriously, and even if they are, you guys clearly don't think that I can be Catholic while not supporting Life Issues with my entire being. Edited October 2, 2011 by Basilisa Marie
dominicansoul Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 what does all that matter vee, when women aren't getting their contraception and their abortions on catholic campuses? oh, and of course dear leader himself pays for people's health insurance and for their way to college? so, abortion, although it certainly is a big deal, we can't ignore the great things dear leader is doing for our country... ...and quit posting those pictures of aborted babies.. we don't want to make too much of a big deal about abortion, it isn't the end all and be all... i mean we have starving children and all the born people in our third world country called the U.S.A. that need dear leader's money!!!! in no time he will make our great country into the socialist country rivaled only by North Korea (which this attitude reminds me of...)
Winchester Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 [quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1317589329' post='2314075'] Oh really? Maybe not for you, but the Obama administration has done plenty of things other than play golf. Obama is the reason why I can stay on my parents' health insurance until I'm 26 because I'm a full-time grad student. [/quote] razzle dazzle, you get to stay on your parent's [s]health insurance[/s] third party payer system thanks to government coercion of private companies. Of course, that evil 3% profit will be diminished, but who cares because you get [s]insurance[/s] a pointless middleman involved in ordinary healthcare!
vee Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 [quote name='Basilisa Marie' timestamp='1317596114' post='2314154'] What the heck, you guys?!!!!! I never said I wasn't pro-life. I'm Catholic - of course I'm pro life! I don't NEED your "Face the Truth" style disgusting pictures. [/quote] And those little babies didnt need their arms ripped off and brains sucked out but there are more important things to think about and worse days to be had.
dominicansoul Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 [quote name='vee8' timestamp='1317597048' post='2314163'] And those little babies didnt need their arms ripped off and brains sucked out but there are more important things to think about and worse days to be had. [/quote] and sadly, the money i pay for taxes is spent doing exactly this... thanx obama
vee Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 [quote name='dominicansoul' timestamp='1317596592' post='2314159'] what does all that matter vee, when women aren't getting their contraception and their abortions on catholic campuses? oh, and of course dear leader himself pays for people's health insurance and for their way to college? so, abortion, although it certainly is a big deal, we can't ignore the great things dear leader is doing for our country... ...and quit posting those pictures of aborted babies.. we don't want to make too much of a big deal about abortion, it isn't the end all and be all... i mean we have starving children and all the born people in our third world country called the U.S.A. that need dear leader's money!!!! in no time he will make our great country into the socialist country rivaled only by North Korea (which this attitude reminds me of...) [/quote] sorry. I go to get reprogrammed tomorrow
BG45 Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 [quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1317597765' post='2314169'] Well, I [i]was[/i] eating... [/quote] I was too actually.
Clare~Therese Posted October 2, 2011 Posted October 2, 2011 Okay, I'm just going to say I was totally unprepared to see those pictures. They made me cry a little. I don't know if I want to eat dinner now. But whether I'm going to eat dinner soon is unimportant. [quote] Our rights come from God not a government and it is the government's responsibility to protect all of its citizens, even those in the womb. If this is not done then they are not doing their job properly. [/quote] ^ This. [quote]Without the right to life from the moment of conception to natural death nothing else matters. If that isn't protected and respected first then all else is in vain. [/quote] ^ And this. [quote]I had this image of a giant, rampaging Obama destroying the campus and a bunch of St. Francis look-a-likes running in terror. [/quote] ^ Lol.
Deus te Amat Posted October 3, 2011 Posted October 3, 2011 Basilisa, while I understand what you are trying to say, I think the others are trying to make, albeit somewhat absurdly, is that you cannot have one of the corporal works of mercy at the expense of any of the others. While some of Obama's changes may be perceived as good for those less fortunate, these goods come at the expense of aborted lives. Without life, corporal works of mercy are... superfluous. If we give food to the hungry, we've failed because a baby has starved. If we clothe the naked, we've failed because we've ripped a baby from the protection of its mother's womb. While it is good to look on the bright side of things and say "Obama, as president, has done this and this and this to benefit society," we cannot ignore the fact that he has failed to protect [i]the sanctity of human life[/i]. The ends do not justify the means. I sincerely apologize for the lack of manners of my peers in this forum. It is impossible to progress in understanding without considerate dialogue, and, unfortunately, some in the debate board have yet to comprehend the nature of "dialogue." Pax Christi, DtA
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