Voter Id Laws: A Fake Solution To A Fake Problem

[Winchester]

[quote name='Norseman82' timestamp='1346638760' post='2477739']
You obviously aren't from Chicago.....
[/quote]I'm sure those problems would have been solved by ID laws.

[Winchester]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1346646266' post='2477778']
Less than a thousand votes in Palm Beach County, Florida made the difference in the 2000 presidential election.
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Yes, it can happen that large elections come down to small differences. The real concern will still be inside jobs. It's a distraction issue.

[dymphnamaria]

I still don't have my id because the comelec man said they run out of ink to print ids.?

[Archaeology cat]

Haven't read whole thread, so my apologies. I think one should have to show some form of ID, and that it should therefore be easy to get said ID. They have people go around to register people to vote, so perhaps they could have a similar thing for IDs. I think a social security card could also be accepted as proof of ID. In FL a DMV ID card is $25. While I know that doesn't sound like much, I can certainly understand it being cost-prohibitive to some. I do feel people should educate themselves on the candidates before voting, but their income isn't indicative of that. S anyway, I do like having to show some form of ID, but it needs to be done in such a way that people are not disenfranchised.

[4588686]

[quote name='Innocent' timestamp='1346665291' post='2477836']
Hasan, are you protesting the concept of a voter ID in itself, or are you saying that this has been introduced too close to the next election that several people won't be able to get to vote on account of it?

Would you be against a Voter ID system if it was implemented by the Govt. sending officials from door to door to ensure that everyone gets a Voter ID card, and providing this card free of cost to every citizen who is of age to exercise franchise? eg. [url="http://www.deccanherald.com/content/73080/content/219141/secret-my-longevity.html"]1[/url], [url="http://post.jagran.com/UP-to-provide-door-to-door-service-for-Voter-ID-cards-1315044802"]2[/url], [url="http://sarjapur-road.com/tag/voter-id"]3[/url], [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5QBERU7wNE"]4[/url]
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That is exactly right, Innocent. I have no problem with photo ID requirements in and of themselves. If the state was willing to somehow ensure that no citizen who wanted to vote was unable to get the ID then I would have no problem with the law. But this is part of a larger trend of republican state bodies trying to limit the ability of groups that tend to vote democrat's ability to vote. In America many students go to school outside of their home district and have to re-register to vote in the district they go to school in. There are proposed laws to stop student groups and other 'third-party' groups from registering people. Student groups hold registration drives on campus all the time and that is a major force in registering students (who tend to vote democrat). Student ID's are not being accepted. You have decisions to restrict early voting days to times when republicans tend to vote but democrates tend not to. These laws are part of a larger trend.

[4588686]

[quote name='emmaberry' timestamp='1346657769' post='2477826']
I have one question: how do these people buy beer, cigarettes, tobacco, or R-rated movies? You might say they don't.

Okay, then. How do these people get jobs without an ID? What's that? They don't have jobs? Oh, right. So how do these 25% of African-Americans receive welfare or unemployment benefits without an ID?

This is madness.
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None of those things really require an ID. When I worked in a grocery store the policy was to card anyone who look like they were under 27 and I don't recall ever being asked to produce an ID for any job that I've ever had.


[url="http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/08/voter_id_laws_why_do_minorities_lack_id_to_show_at_the_polls_.html"]http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/08/voter_id_laws_why_do_minorities_lack_id_to_show_at_the_polls_.html[/url]

[add]

Oh, come on now y'all know this is just a vote grab. If you are an illegal in this country you can't vote.
Voting is a right of citizens only, nationalize or otherwise (for valid reasons)

[4588686]

[quote name='add' timestamp='1346691562' post='2477893']
Oh, come on now y'all know this is just a vote grab. If you are an illegal in this country you can't vote.
Voting is a right of citizens only, nationalize or otherwise (for valid reasons)
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What are you talking about?

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1346691237' post='2477889']
I don't recall ever being asked to produce an ID for any job that I've ever had.
[/quote]Of course nobody is going to ask you for ID when they pick you up on the street corner...

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1346691237' post='2477889']
I don't recall ever being asked to produce an ID for any job that I've ever had.
[/quote]I've had to at least two forms of ID for every job I've had. I've had to show ID to get drug tested for these jobs. I've had to show ID for every place I've rented. I've had to show ID nearly every time I buy EtOH. I had to show ID when I bought my car. I had to show ID to get my Remington. I had to show ID to get a bank account. I had to show ID to get my ID. Barack Harald Obama with a rubber crutch, what is the flooping deal here. I hardly believe that all these places are attempting to marginalize poor people.

Edited September 3, 2012 by ardillacid

[Winchester]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1346690703' post='2477885']
democrates
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An obscure philosopher.

[4588686]

[quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1346692221' post='2477898']
Of course nobody is going to ask you for ID when they pick you up on the street corner...
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Well, they would need to make sure I'm 18. Which is hard to do given how much make-up I put on when I'm in drag.

[ardillacid]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1346692507' post='2477902']
Well, they would need to make sure I'm 18. Which is hard to do given how much make-up I put on when I'm in drag.
[/quote]So what do poor prostitutes do who can't afford ID?

[4588686]

[quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1346693133' post='2477905']
So what do poor prostitutes do who can't afford ID?
[/quote]

That's where Daddy helps you out.

[Winchester]

[quote name='ardillacid' timestamp='1346693133' post='2477905']
So what do poor prostitutes do who can't afford ID?
[/quote]
Work harder.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1346691237' post='2477889']


None of those things really require an ID. When I worked in a grocery store the policy was to card anyone who look like they were under 27 and I don't recall ever being asked to produce an ID for any job that I've ever had.


[url="http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/08/voter_id_laws_why_do_minorities_lack_id_to_show_at_the_polls_.html"]http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/08/voter_id_laws_why_do_minorities_lack_id_to_show_at_the_polls_.html[/url]
[/quote]You may not recall but it's federal law to have ID ti fill out the I9 since 1986. The fake problem is people claiming its too difficult to provide ID. Even migrant workers are aided with getting IDs. They don't come to the camps but it isn't that hard to get a ride to the One of many conveniently located free aid offices. I've given rides to coworker/employees and their families. There's two within five miles of where I live in a rural area that I know of and been too. I suspect there's more. The fake problem is the idea that it's too hard to get ID if you are a US citizen. Non-citizens that need and want to work accomplish it regularly and they don't speak English.

Edited September 3, 2012 by Anomaly

[Ed Normile]

I guess this was touched on, but as I did not read the whole thread I have to add that despite Hassan's views there was incredible voter fraud during the last election, over 100,000 cases were to be prsosecuted here in Ohio, voters that were bussed in from Illinois, then there were the black panther militants dressed in army camo garb denying certain voters from access to the polls in several parts of the country including several Philly Pa. locations. There were literally hundreds of cases across the country that were to be prosecuted until Obama's attorney general Eric Holder made the statement that he would not prosecute such cases or especially cases against or involving blacks as they have been persecuted enough in this country.

The idea of illegals voting is a definite problem and one the current regime welcomes, the main reason he is offering amnesty to illegals. The liberal/socialist machine needs the illegal vote to continue their policies of death, immorality and religious persecution. The Chicago machine is famous for its dead voters, they were involved in JFK'S win too.

ed

Edited September 3, 2012 by Ed Normile

[Ed Normile]

Just a side note, do you know that it is actually a more severe criminal penalty to illegally enter Mexico ?

This is from The Washington Times a liberal rag so you know its not some right wing agenda piece.
[url="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/03/mexicos-illegals-laws-tougher-than-arizonas/?page=all"]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/03/mexicos-illegals-laws-tougher-than-arizonas/?page=all[/url]

Mexican President Felipe Calderon denounced as “racial discrimination” an Arizona law giving state and local police the authority to arrest suspected illegal immigrants and vowed to use all means at his disposal to defend Mexican nationals against a law he called a “violation of human rights.”
But the legislation, signed April 23 by Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer, is similar to Reglamento de la Ley General de Poblacion — the General Law on Population enacted in Mexico in April 2000, which mandates that federal, local and municipal police cooperate with federal immigration authorities in that country in the arrests of illegal immigrants.
Under the Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony, punishable by up to two years in prison. Immigrants who are deported and attempt to re-enter can be imprisoned for 10 years. Visa violators can be sentenced to six-year terms. Mexicans who help illegal immigrants are considered criminals.
The law also says Mexico can deport foreigners who are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” violate Mexican law, are not “physically or mentally healthy” or lack the “necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents.
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[add]

[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1346692185' post='2477897']
What are you talking about?
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this: [url="http://conservativelady.hubpages.com/question/182750/is-obama-pandering-to-special-interest-groups-solely-to-increase-his-votes-come-november"]http://conservativelady.hubpages.com/question/182750/is-obama-pandering-to-special-interest-groups-solely-to-increase-his-votes-come-november[/url] < as if, you dont know

[southern california guy]

[quote name='havok579257' timestamp='1346647511' post='2477786']
please, please, please explain to me how blacks are going to not be able to get a id to vote? do black people not driver vehicles, never cash checks, don't live in apartments or houses, don't but cigarette's or alcohol or porn or have bank accounts or go to college or have paying jobs that don't pay them under the table cash? please explain to me how this is happening?
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I'm sort of getting off topic but I'll tell you how it works here in California. A lot of the Mexican Nationals here have Mexican Identification cards. These are photo ID's and they are considered valid ID's as far as I know in California. However these obviously don't work so well as a voter identification. Especially when the person trying to vote is not an American citizen. It's not that they don't have a photo ID. It's just that they don't want people to see it.

Of course that is not really "voter fraud" because one person is only voting once. However some people use this as an argument against having to show ID when voting. And it complicates the situation of trying to combat real voter fraud -- people voting multiple times.