This Is The Mother Of All Youtubes, Watch.

[To Jesus Through Mary]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1351632892' post='2500534']

Certainly. If we all mutually just stick with this agreement things will be fine. This doesn't mean we won't sometimes disagree, but families disagree all the time and it is okay to disagree. Just as long as we adhere to all Church teaching than we will be good.
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Hope springs eternal.

[MIKolbe]

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1351632689' post='2500533']
Now you're talking! No words were better said. Thank you, I couldn't agree more. Just practice what you preach and we will all be fine.
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I, for one, can appreciate your positivity.

thanks!

[Freedom]

Okay, I'm done for now. God bless

[Nihil Obstat]

Have people not been warned for trolling, in the past?

[Aloysius]

Let's try to ignore the arguments against the user Freedom for her tactics, please leave that alone, that's just as much a distraction as everything else is (remember, ad argumentum not ad hominem). We should instead engage the arguments brought by the video; the exact type of arguments I was consistently HOPING and trying to ARGUE THAT people like freedom should be making. These are [b]more legitimate arguments [/b]and they deserve real discussion.

First TELLING statement in the youtube video: "You [b]can[/b] question where Romney stands..." Absolutely true. You absolutely can question where Romney stands and it is by no means clearly evident that he stands one way or another (his lack of stance has produced increasing pro-abortion policies during his term as governor of Massachusetts, but who's counting, not like he's running for governor of Massachusetts, right?)

#1a Partial birth abortion, Born Alive Infant Protection Act-- No actual legislative action is currently in place, NOR is President Obama currently legislating for such action (nor is there ANY group advocating or lobbying for such legislation credibly, even NARAL took a neutral stance on the Born Alive Protection Act), there is 0% chance that Partial Birth Abortion will be legalized or that the Born Alive Infant Protection Act will be overturned. The fact that Obama was supportive of these things during his career is a great indictment against the evil of his positions, certainly, but the fact that they are not being threatened legislatively makes them election non-issues.

#1b Obama-care- I have already on multiple occasions SHOWN exactly how Mitt Romney has positioned himself to maintain Obama-care. The idea of "death-panels" has been brought up in the video, this is a distraction issue in my opinion (the idea of who should and should not get health care that should save their life is already decided in many different ways that are more or less ethical), and it is much more important to address the other issue of how Obama-care finances abortions/sterilizations/contraception. It's all financed under the same idea: the mandate to pay for health insurance; all of these things were mandated ALSO under the Massachusetts Romney-care health care mandate that forced the exact same kind of health care coverage that Obama-care did.

#2 Same-sex marriage.

Obama thinks same-sex marriage should be up to the states (even in his recent statement in support of same sex marriage, he stated that):

Romney thinks same-sex marriage should be up to the states (while governor of a state he supported civil unions):

#3 Israel and the idea of Irania nuclear missals and meeting with Benjamin NUTinyahu: Did you even see his cartoonish explanation in the UN?? Seriously? In [b]1992[/b] Benjamin Netanyahu said Iran was 3-5 years from a nuclear weapon; 21 years letter he's saying the SAME FREAKING THING. [url="http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2012/07/03/netanyahu-worked-inside-nuclear-smuggling-ring/"] Netanyahu himself was suspected of illegal smuggling of nuclear secrets from the USA[/url], and Israel is one of only 3 nations (includeing Israel, Pakistan, and Israel) to refuse to sign the IAEA Nuclear non-proliferation treaty (if you're good at maths, you'll recognize that Iran [b]has signed[/b] this treaty and to date has not violated the terms of it) and is one of the largest stockpiles of nuclear weapons in the Middle East.

#4 Obama has actually consistently come out in defense of American freedom of speech, but he also expressed that the American administration adamantly rejects the stupidity of the youtube video that was claimed to be a part of the middle east riots that resulted in the death of an American ambassador. [b]For One:[/b] the video itself was absolutely stupid and ridiculous, but nonetheless Obama's administration was correct not to surpress it in any way. The alleged maker of the video having violated the terms of his parole had nothing to do with the Obama administration, and had everything to do with the stupidity of an idiot ex-con who continued to use false names even though he was previously convicted of such action. [b]And Secondly,[/b] the video really didn't have much to do with the real outrage in the middle east; the outrage was centered in places like Libya, Pakistan, and Yemen where people turned out to be outraged mostly about the AGGRESSIVELY VIOLENT policies that the Obama has been spearheading in those countries that have resulted in huge amounts of civilian countries that have understandably made the people upset.

#5 The economy is simply no reason to prefer Romney to Obama; the entitlement and joblessness increase is a result of the cumulation of the policies especially of Jimmy Carter, Clinton, George W. Bush, and Obama. The Debt we face now is primarily the result of the cumulation of Reagan, Bush H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, and Obama;m though honorable mention on entitlement and joblessness can be given to Reagan and Geoge H.W., and honorable mention on the debt increase can be given to Clinton. In all of these things, Romney represents a continuation of the same trajectory.

So if Obama wins, this is what does this video say we can expect?:
"the internet to be regulated, the dollar to be worthless, the constitution to be shredded, and for the civilian military to show up on your door for speech violations"
Romney suppots regulating the Internet, folks. That is an an absolutely null point, he explicitly supports such things; and not only that, his own party has spearheaded such things (sans a few objections most notably the Ron/Rand Paul clan who were the biggest sounders of the alarm on such issues)
Romney's economic policies will also result in the worthlessness of the dollar.
Romney will look towards his lawyers, not the Constitution, to figure out what he can and cannot do. He is assuredly happy to continue in the precedents that grant the executive branch more power (which is why his own party in congress has had no serious effort to curb Obama's precedents of executive power; just like Democrats had no credible oppositions to Bush's grabs for executive power)
And neither side is going to explicitly step up against free speech, though both sides have their own records of ways in which they will attempt to curtail it.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1351633621' post='2500545']
Have people not been warned for trolling, in the past?
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If people think Freedom is a troll they shouldn't respond to her. She doesn't trouble me. Seems cool, once the election is over maybe others will see that more easily.

To stop those monsters 1-2-3, Here's a fresh new way that's trouble-free, It's got Paul Anka's guarantee... Guarantee void in Tennessee. Just don't look! Just don't look! Just don't look! Just don't look! Just don't look! Just don't look!

[Aloysius]

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1351632689' post='2500533']
Now you're talking! No words were better said. Thank you, I couldn't agree more. Just practice what you preach and we will all be fine.
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practicing what FP is preaching there includes refusing to give into the idea that Catholicity is synonymous with a particular voting block, my friend. we must all repudiate that idea and maintain our bound of sacramental unity despite the attempts of political groups to manipulate us; despite the different political roles we may take, we are all one body in Christ our Lord, we are all sons of Our Most Blessed Lady, and the idea that a difference of opinion on political issues could in any way stand as a separation to those profound and sacred realities should be repugnant to all of us, no matter what side we take.

[Aloysius]

Correction: I meant to say [b]India[/b][b], [/b]Israel, and Pakistan have refused to sign the treaty. And that [b]Israel[/b] is one of the largest stockpiles of Nuclear weapons on the middle east.

FYI, Catholic Moral Theology doesn't allow for the use of nuclear weapons [i]EVER[/i] by any nation; feel free to start another topic on that if you disagree on that and I'll do my best to obliterate you on support of such inherently non-combatant-targeting weaponry.

[qfnol31]

[quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1351635554' post='2500571']
Correction: I meant to say [b]India[/b][b], [/b]Israel, and Pakistan have refused to sign the treaty. And that [b]Israel[/b] is one of the largest stockpiles of Nuclear weapons on the middle east.

FYI, Catholic Moral Theology doesn't allow for the use of nuclear weapons [i]EVER[/i] by any nation; feel free to start another topic on that if you disagree on that and I'll do my best to obliterate you on support of such inherently non-combatant-targeting weaponry.
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If anyone is interested, this notion of nuclear weapons as a legitimate option was successfully defeated years ago. I can find the old thread in which I remember it having been discussed, but Al is absolutely right on what Catholic moral theology teaches.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1351629971' post='2500476']
[i]try[/i] and look beyond how the message is expressed, and try to hear the message. That's what turn the other cheek means.
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Are you saying that Jesus meant to ignore the sting of a slap and try to hear the persons real message. That's deep bro. I think I like it.

[dUSt]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1351634303' post='2500553']
If people think Freedom is a troll they shouldn't respond to her. She doesn't trouble me. Seems cool, once the election is over maybe others will see that more easily.
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I love KnightofChrist.

[dUSt]

Al, do you not want to address the video I posted? I like it lots.

[Nihil Obstat]

I have gotten into it on this site on the nuke question. It is rather shocking how many Catholics want to defend them. That is a debate I will get into any day.

[Freedom]

Aloysius, sorry to inform you, but this long tirade that comes to the rescue of Obama's rear end, is not only full of inconsistencies but most of all boring because of it's length. FYI Obama and Romney are a million miles apart. Otherwise people would have no problem voting for one or the other if they were so similar as you say.

[dUSt]

[quote name='Freedom' timestamp='1351638367' post='2500599']
this long tirade that comes to the rescue of Obama's rear end
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Agreed.

This is my point Aloysius. The user named Freedom is new here. She hasn't read your thousands of other posts. You are an Obama defender to her. This is exactly what I was trying to tell you earlier. There is an inherent danger in equalizing different degrees of evil, because it will ultimately be perceived as you downplaying, and dare I say, defending, the greater evil.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' timestamp='1351637490' post='2500594']
I have gotten into it on this site on the nuke question. It is rather shocking how many Catholics want to defend them. That is a debate I will get into any day.
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We've been there and we'll do it again anytime.

[Freedom]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351638463' post='2500600']
Agreed.

This is my point Aloysius. The user named Freedom is new here. She hasn't read your thousands of other posts. You are an Obama defender to her. This is exactly what I was trying to tell you earlier. There is an inherent danger in equalizing different degrees of evil, because it will ultimately be perceived as you downplaying, and dare I say, defending, the greater evil.
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So true, I couldn't have said it better. To me he's being so transparent, he's an Obama lover under cover.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='dUSt' timestamp='1351638463' post='2500600']
Agreed.

This is my point Aloysius. The user named Freedom is new here. She hasn't read your thousands of other posts. You are an Obama defender to her. This is exactly what I was trying to tell you earlier. There is an inherent danger in equalizing different degrees of evil, because it will ultimately be perceived as you downplaying, and dare I say, defending, the greater evil.
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she doesn't need to read all their posts to know that overall, they are posting with loads more charity than she herself is posting with.

[dUSt]

"I said they call me Jermaine, the ebony lover, I validate that theory when I'm under the cover!" - Wildcats, 1986

[dUSt]

[quote name='Lil Red' timestamp='1351639251' post='2500606']


she doesn't need to read all their posts to know that overall, they are posting with loads more charity than she herself is posting with.
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Charity is as charity does. I've seen equal attacks on both sides. She just happens to have more individual violations because she's the minority in the attacking.