Spiritual Direction - Should You Pay For It?

[Lilllabettt]

fyi, your posts make you sound angry and bitter. just how it comes off to me personally. peace.

[Nunsense]

fyi, your posts make you sound angry and bitter. just how it comes off to me personally. peace.

 

Thanks for your input. peace to you too.

[abrideofChrist]

Saint Paul supported himself. All good Jews learned a trade. It's not that he didn't have a right to the tithe, he did; but because he wanted to be a model to others, he wrote the following, "If a man shall not work, neither shall he eat." Years ago, Nuns lived in appalling conditions because of their poverty. All because they were not paid a salary. If you gave valuable spiritual advice to others which is above and beyond your calling, wouldn't it be right for them to assist you monetarily for your time and sharing of your knowledge? So that you could be free to better help them? As with any helping profession, there has to a sufficient income to allow for charity causes. Otherwise, bills will go unpaid and the help will disappear. This is especially true for retreat centers who are famous for struggling financially because of the clients' inability or unwillingness to pay. It's a known fact that many centers operate in the red, unable to pay basic bills.

[brandelynmarie]

I've often wondered if a form of bartering would be an option in some cases...

[cmaD2006]

 

Oh your post was ok - I was tired at that point too, and it does get frustrating when people respond to a post without reading what was posted before. I know none of us has time to read everything, but guess what? If you read my last post, you will see that I have found a SD - a priest who does not charge a set fee. :)  So the Lord has done His work, as usual :)

 

You have to realize that I did *try* to read the posts ... just that where I was located I had very scattered internet access.  And I was stuck on a smartphone.

 

 

An aside:  Please ... PLEASE do not use my name on the net.  It is not public knowledge.

[PhuturePriest]

You have to realize that I did *try* to read the posts ... just that where I was located I had very scattered internet access.  And I was stuck on a smartphone.

 

 

An aside:  Please ... PLEASE do not use my name on the net.  It is not public knowledge.

 

Is this to imply that you name is NOT Maria Diaz and it is in fact a damnable lie?

 

For shame, Regulator, for shame...

Edited November 1, 2013 by FuturePriest387

[AnneLine]

Just because it is a name, doesn't mean it is the person's name.   All of us have the right to not have our everyday usage name used on Phatmass. 

 

I am pretty sure Nunsense did it unintentionally, because I remember her not much liking her own name being used at one point, but I do think that CMaria had every reason to ask hers not be used.   Some people do prefer to have theirs used; I only use yours, Miles, because at one point you specified you prefer it to 'FP'. 

 

I felt the same way when someone used my everyday name.    I generally prefer AL... and I'll come to Annie or anything kind.   Hey you, ugly llama, not so much!

[cmaD2006]

I am pretty sure Nunsense did it unintentionally, because I remember her not much liking her own name being used at one point, but I do think that CMaria had every reason to ask hers not be used.  

 

Agreed I do think it was unintentional ... but I really do refrain from using my name on the net.  Which is why I kind of jumped.

 

We're off topic but if someone does use your real name (and it isn't public knowledge) you can press the report button, and that is something the mods can edit out.  I'm lucky -- being a mod I could edit it quickly, but alas it was out on the net for a few days which makes me feel very uncomfortable.

[Nunsense]

Agreed I do think it was unintentional ... but I really do refrain from using my name on the net.  Which is why I kind of jumped.
 
We're off topic but if someone does use your real name (and it isn't public knowledge) you can press the report button, and that is something the mods can edit out.  I'm lucky -- being a mod I could edit it quickly, but alas it was out on the net for a few days which makes me feel very uncomfortable.

I don't usually use someone's real name on phamass, but in the past you have used yours yourself on many occasions, so I thought it was ok for you. Here are just a few times...

http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/56937-butterflies-and-a-handful-of-other-physical-responses/#.UnRL3CW4ZgU
http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/59519-i-have-a-question/#.UnRNAyW4ZgU
http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/74874-confessorspiritual-director/#.UnRMzCW4ZgU

and AnneLine used your name here and there without you saying anything about it...

http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/131075-dust-and-the-phorums-glitchyness-donations-needed/page-3#.UnRMbSW4ZgU
http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/120795-the-best-cat-food-taste-test/#.UnRNOyW4ZgU


So maybe you can understand my confusion?

Please forgive me though, now that I know you don't want it used, I won't. I started out signing my real name on phatmass when I first joined too, but I don't do that now because of bad experiences here. So I definitely get the reasons - I just wasn't sure with you and it kind of slipped out - but this is the first time you have said anything about it to anyone. But point taken now.

Edit: You are lucky though, because being a mod you can google your real name here on phatmass and edit out all the earlier occasions. I can't do that. OR edit out my email address which I posted a few times. But we live and learn. :) Edited November 2, 2013 by nunsense

[AnneLine]

Oh!   :eek:   I hadn't realized I had done it as well, Nunsense.... yes, unintentional on my part too.  Sorry, CMaria!  :blush:

 

I agree that part of being a mod must be wonderful!  There are other times, doesn't look so attractive.   I bet if you asked, a mod would willingly remove an email address, and maybe even a personal name....

 

 

[Nunsense]

Oh!   :eek:   I hadn't realized I had done it as well, Nunsense.... yes, unintentional on my part too.  Sorry, CMaria!  :blush:
 
I agree that part of being a mod must be wonderful!  There are other times, doesn't look so attractive.   I bet if you asked, a mod would willingly remove an email address, and maybe even a personal name....

:) I'll leave it up to God to protect me. It's kind of hard to put the cat back into the bag once it's out -- and I've been around here long enough that my name is pretty well known. But I don't use it anymore - too easy to google people. I know young people seem to have less problem with the lack of privacy online, but I'm still a bit old fashioned about some things and like to leave as small an online footprint as possible. :)

[cmaD2006]

I don't usually use someone's real name on phamass, but in the past you have used yours yourself on many occasions, so I thought it was ok for you. Here are just a few times...

http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/56937-butterflies-and-a-handful-of-other-physical-responses/#.UnRL3CW4ZgU
http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/59519-i-have-a-question/#.UnRNAyW4ZgU
http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/74874-confessorspiritual-director/#.UnRMzCW4ZgU

and AnneLine used your name here and there without you saying anything about it...

http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/131075-dust-and-the-phorums-glitchyness-donations-needed/page-3#.UnRMbSW4ZgU
http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/120795-the-best-cat-food-taste-test/#.UnRNOyW4ZgU


So maybe you can understand my confusion?

Please forgive me though, now that I know you don't want it used, I won't. I started out signing my real name on phatmass when I first joined too, but I don't do that now because of bad experiences here. So I definitely get the reasons - I just wasn't sure with you and it kind of slipped out - but this is the first time you have said anything about it to anyone. But point taken now.

Edit: You are lucky though, because being a mod you can google your real name here on phatmass and edit out all the earlier occasions. I can't do that. OR edit out my email address which I posted a few times. But we live and learn. :)

 

In the really, really long ago past -- it was used, but no I don't.  I didn't notice that AnneLine had used it (I would have edited it out or reported it to the mods). 

 

Going to edit now (the ones from the more recent past).  And for the record to everyone ... please do not use my real name unless I say otherwise.  I stay anonymous on the phorum.  It isn't the 1st time I've said it (I said it at least a year or two ago when it happened).

 

And well going too far into the past to edit is one thing, but if it was in the recent past let us (mods) know.  And the safest thing IS to use the person's tag -- you can't go wrong there ever since it is the person's name on phatmass, but you CAN go wrong with privacy by using the person's real name.

 

Nunsense -- I have respected your privacy and avoided using your real name, even though you have used it in the past.  I know I've asked you in particular not to use my real name on the phorum a few years ago, and you were great about it in the past.  I'm surprized that you didn't remember, especially since you don't like people using your name on the phorum.  I do understand that AnneLine's comments confused you though.

 

And actually the worst thing that could have been done was just done ... you pointed out specific threads where my name was used.  Now it IS that much more public.

[PhuturePriest]

Just because it is a name, doesn't mean it is the person's name.   All of us have the right to not have our everyday usage name used on Phatmass. 

 

I am pretty sure Nunsense did it unintentionally, because I remember her not much liking her own name being used at one point, but I do think that CMaria had every reason to ask hers not be used.   Some people do prefer to have theirs used; I only use yours, Miles, because at one point you specified you prefer it to 'FP'. 

 

I felt the same way when someone used my everyday name.    I generally prefer AL... and I'll come to Annie or anything kind.   Hey you, ugly llama, not so much!

 

Oh, I'm completely aware that her screenname was most likely not her actual name. I was just making a joke.

[AnneLine]

:paperbag:

[krissylou]

From what I've seen, a lot of places have a "requested donation" for spiritual direction.  Maybe not if we're talking about a parish priest who squeezes in a few directees, but if direction is the person's primary ministry then yes some money needs to come in.  SDs (or their communities, if they are consecrated religious) need to buy groceries and keep the lights on and such.

 

From what I have seen there has been some room for negotiation.  If there isn't in this situation, well I'm willing to assume the best of the individuals involved and assume they are in a position where they are so strapped they really really can't as much as they wish they could.

 

After all, when my grandparents went to Catholic schools there was no tuition.  (For elementary schools at least.)  I'm not sure about my parents' generation but tuition was awfully low.  That isn't possible anymore.  And the schools do what they can with scholarships and whatnot but a lot of people are priced out.  Which stinks but that's just reality and the way of things.

 

Though it still remains really stinky for you, and I'm sorry and I'll pray that something falls into place and until it does tell the Holy Spirit "Hey bud, this one is all on you for the time being!  Better step up to the plate!"  ;)

[r2Dtoo]

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[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

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Edited December 1, 2013 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

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Edited December 1, 2013 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye