freudianslippers Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 ok, well so long. May the wind be at your back. And may all your bulls love your cows. What ever man get over it, I just like arguing sometimes for the fun of it, and sometimes I get out of control with it and gota check myself. Personally I do not have a Clique, I am too busy with dealing with social anxiety to fit into a clique. No one ever really wins a debate, it just eventually dies off, and maybe some where along the way someone finds the debate informative and helpful and maybe even correct in why a point of view should be changed. Radio people do it all the time, they try to convince people why their side is right and the other side is wrong. An you don't think you are smarter, I know I am not " smart " least not by any theological or political standard, ask me to dismantle an M16 and put it back together I can beat everyone here hands down. But to think only Theologians and Clergy are allowed to have opinion on what is being discussed here, forget it, everyone has an opinion who cares if anyone likes yours, don't take it personal, it is just the internet no one here can make up your mind for you, and if we kicked around for opinions, oh well. Plus just because the Church teaches something doesn't mean we have to like it, we just need to follow it.
chrysostom Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) No one ever really wins a debate, it just eventually dies off, and maybe some where along the way someone finds the debate informative and helpful and maybe even correct in why a point of view should be changed. Radio people do it all the time, they try to convince people why their side is right and the other side is wrong. Indeed, one of the major factors in internet debates is that oftentimes the debate will have many more readers than contributors. When we talk, we address not merely the person we are debating, but also the readership. It is more important - and more persuasive - to limit oneself to addressing the point being contested than to make ad hominems of any kind. :) Plus just because the Church teaches something doesn't mean we have to like it, we just need to follow it. Amen. Edited June 25, 2014 by chrysostom
ThereseMaria Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 I think if someone calls themself Catholic, then they must want to be Catholic. They wouldn't claim to be Catholic if they didn't want to be. I think that from there, God can bring them to the truth. If you call yourself Catholic, it means that you at least want to try to follow God's teachings to the best of your ability. It doesn't make you perfect, but God doesn't expect us to be perfect. Putting forth that effort to be who God intends you to be is what matters.
mortify ii Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Here is a related question which has bearing on this thread: can someone, either without intending to, or in spite of intending not to, place themselves outside of the Church either through their actions or their beliefs? Because some people seem to be of the opinion that, essentially, you are Catholic if you say you are, period. I reject that idea. This.
Nihil Obstat Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Between you and me, I have my suspicions that it is organized. Maybe from CAF. idk. Seems unlikely to be random. That honestly had not occurred to me. I do not think I agree, but it is an interesting thought. Where do you think it might be coming from? CAF seems unlikely to me. I think if someone calls themself Catholic, then they must want to be Catholic. They wouldn't claim to be Catholic if they didn't want to be. I think that from there, God can bring them to the truth. If you call yourself Catholic, it means that you at least want to try to follow God's teachings to the best of your ability. It doesn't make you perfect, but God doesn't expect us to be perfect. Putting forth that effort to be who God intends you to be is what matters. Is wanting to be Catholic sufficient condition for actually being Catholic? Or, as in the question I posed a page or two ago, are there conditions under which a person, while desiring to be Catholic, is deprived of communion with the Church?
mortify ii Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 To all the suckas that criticize Catholicism but still claim it as their religion... All your base are belong to us!
chrysostom Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) To all the suckas ... Sigh. Edited June 25, 2014 by chrysostom
Anomaly Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Do yourself a favor and keep your favor opinions of what I need to do with my life to yourself, I am not in a nasty hot mood by any means, if I were I would make it known. And you didn't even come close to anything I talked about so keep on keeping on. Peace out girl scout. :cupid: Glad to find out that's how sons when you're in a good mood.
Lilllabettt Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) That honestly had not occurred to me. I do not think I agree, but it is an interesting thought. Where do you think it might be coming from? CAF seems unlikely to me. I don't know ... maybe the extent of "organization" is just someone posting a link somewhere. CAF seems possible to me because the presence of these opinions is not such an anomaly over there, and yet there it is dealt with swiftly in that cold, spiritless way that is customary at CAF. Another possibility is the change we've had at the top. maybe more dissenters feel emboldened, have stopped whispering to themselves that the faith is wrong, got the courage to tell others it is. Although it has been a year and like I said it seems less random than that. Edited June 25, 2014 by Lilllabettt
mortify ii Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Another possibility is the change we've had at the top. maybe more dissenters feel emboldened, have stopped whispering to themselves that the faith is wrong, got the courage to tell others it is. Although it has been a year and like I said it seems less random than that. Changes at the top?
ThereseMaria Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Is wanting to be Catholic sufficient condition for actually being Catholic? Or, as in the question I posed a page or two ago, are there conditions under which a person, while desiring to be Catholic, is deprived of communion with the Church? What I meant by that was, that person would be expressing a desire to love God. In the end, only God knows that person's heart, and He will guide them to the truth, and along the path to holiness. Basically, it's no one else's place to judge whether or not a person is Catholic - that's God's job.
Lilllabettt Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) Changes at the top? Franciscus Edited June 25, 2014 by Lilllabettt
Nihil Obstat Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 I don't know ... maybe the extent of "organization" is just someone posting a link somewhere. CAF seems possible to me because the presence of these opinions is not such an anomaly over there, and yet there it is dealt with swiftly in that cold, spiritless way that is customary at CAF. Another possibility is the change we've had at the top. maybe more dissenters feel emboldened, have stopped whispering to themselves that the faith is wrong, got the courage to tell others it is. Although it has been a year and like I said it seems less random than that. Maybe the National Catholic Reporter linked to us. :hehe: I am not sure what I think. It feels to me personally that some people have come to embrace a latent heterodoxy rather recently. I dunno. No one in particular whom I would care to talk about. Just kind of a feeling.
Nihil Obstat Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 What I meant by that was, that person would be expressing a desire to love God. In the end, only God knows that person's heart, and He will guide them to the truth, and along the path to holiness. Basically, it's no one else's place to judge whether or not a person is Catholic - that's God's job. But objectively speaking, could a person want to be Catholic and, through some fault of belief, actually be truly separated from the Church?
mortify ii Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 What I meant by that was, that person would be expressing a desire to love God. In the end, only God knows that person's heart, and He will guide them to the truth, and along the path to holiness. Basically, it's no one else's place to judge whether or not a person is Catholic - that's God's job. If someone says the Church teaches X but I disagree and believe Y, that person has separated themselves from the Church.
mortify ii Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Franciscus He seems to be polarizing a lot of folk
Lilllabettt Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Maybe the National Catholic Reporter linked to us. :hehe: I am not sure what I think. It feels to me personally that some people have come to embrace a latent heterodoxy rather recently. I dunno. No one in particular whom I would care to talk about. Just kind of a feeling. well I hear that. And honestly recently it has felt like sometimes it is just me holding the line against the dissenting mob on here ... real or not that's been my feeling a couple times ... which I have to say is not something I ever expected to experience at phatmass. I appreciate it and am relieved when other people step up. so thank you.
Lilllabettt Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 He seems to be polarizing a lot of folk the whole thing was a brand new experience for the most senior people on down the line ... disruption is to be expected. takes time for everyone to adjust to the new situation.
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