Charleston Shooting Suspect (Derailed: Confederate Flag Debate)

[Seven77]

 Heritage not Tyranny!

Edited June 21, 2015 by Seven77

[Lilllabettt]

I wonder what the reaction among Germans would be if a government building in the eastern part of Germany hoisted this above their grounds:

 (flag of Soviet puppet government in Eastern Germany before the fall of the Berlin Wall)

Or what about this one over a government building in Poland? I wonder what Poles would say?

 (flag of Soviet puppet government in Poland. The crown traditionally atop the eagle's head was removed)

There's got to be a few veterans of the Pacific front still around. Wonder how they'd feel about the Japanese hoisting this one over Iwo Jima:

 (Imperial flag of Japan, circa WWII)

Or how about the kids whose Dads died to bring down the Imperial regime. I wonder if they would have any strong feelings about the Imperial flag flapping as a celebration of Japanese "heritage" over the soil their people died to liberate. 

Americans are sissies if we roll over and accept this bonkers "heritage" stuff as an excuse to fly the Confederate flag. Ahem, no, you can't fly your flag over government buildings, that is usually a consequence for most everybody if they LOSE A WAR. Dear Sweet Jesus.

Edited June 22, 2015 by Lilllabettt

[Benedictus]

 Heritage not Tyranny!

​Many 'British' Northern Irish see this flag as tyranny and not heritage. Unless the military occupation was a heritage matter Same view from many Scots, Welsh and Cornish too. You'll only see the British flag (usually along with the EU flag) on the top of government buildings, hardly ever near any houses or lawns.

In terms of Germany, it's illegal to own or display nazi symbols or materials. They even had to change the symbols in the game Wolfenstein, well the German released version. It's also illegal to deny the holocaust happened as generally understood. There has been a few academics that have critcised this, as it prevents challenging any figures or events beyond what is allowed as accepted history. I don't think such laws help, it just helps make people who feel national guilt a bit happier.

[Credo in Deum]

 

[Nihil Obstat]

I wonder what the reaction among Germans would be if a government building in the eastern part of Germany hoisted this above their grounds:

 (flag of Soviet puppet government in Eastern Germany before the fall of the Berlin Wall)

Or what about this one over a government building in Poland? I wonder what Poles would say?

 (flag of Soviet puppet government in Poland. The crown traditionally atop the eagle's head was removed)

There's got to be a few veterans of the Pacific front still around. Wonder how they'd feel about the Japanese hoisting this one over Iwo Jima:

 (Imperial flag of Japan, circa WWII)

Or how about the kids whose Dads died to bring down the Imperial regime. I wonder if they would have any strong feelings about the Imperial flag flapping as a celebration of Japanese "heritage" over the soil their people died to liberate. 

Americans are sissies if we roll over and accept this bonkers "heritage" stuff as an excuse to fly the Confederate flag. Ahem, no, you can't fly your flag over government buildings, that is usually a consequence for most everybody if they LOSE A WAR. Dear Sweet Jesus.

Meh. The kyokujitsu-ki is still in pretty regular use and as far as I know it is not considered a controversial symbol in Japan.

[truthfinder]

​The replacing of this flag was a weird 'democratic' political move.  

[Nihil Obstat]

​The replacing of this flag was a weird 'democratic' political move.  

They just liked the new flag because it is easier for school children to draw.

[truthfinder]

They just liked the new flag because it is easier for school children to draw.

​From wikipedia: "The Canadian Red Ensign continues to be flown by some Canadians, especially monarchists, other traditionalists, those who cherish Canada's British heritage"

Yeah, don't think so: my Canadian flags always turned out horribly. 

[Nihil Obstat]

​From wikipedia: "The Canadian Red Ensign continues to be flown by some Canadians, especially monarchists, other traditionalists, those who cherish Canada's British heritage"

Yeah, don't think so: my Canadian flags always turned out horribly. 

I bet they fly it at St. John the Evangelist.

Sounds like I should fly it myself.

Edited June 22, 2015 by Nihil Obstat

[truthfinder]

I bet they fly it at St. John the Evangelist.

Sounds like I should fly it myself.

​You should ask around, but I think the someone in the pilgrimage group to Chartres had one. Knew you were turning into a monarchist. 

[Nihil Obstat]

​Knew you were turning into a monarchist. 

Yeah... that is fine.

[Nihil Obstat]

Meh. The kyokujitsu-ki is still in pretty regular use and as far as I know it is not considered a controversial symbol in Japan.

​Actually, with slightly more research I am finding that the Kyokujitsu-ki is still used by the Maritime Self-Defense Force. And the Ground defense force uses a modified version. So yeah, that is not a good comparison. 

[Benedictus]

I wonder what the reaction among Germans would be if a government building in the eastern part of Germany hoisted this above their grounds:

 (flag of Soviet puppet government in Eastern Germany before the fall of the Berlin Wall)

Or what about this one over a government building in Poland? I wonder what Poles would say?

 (flag of Soviet puppet government in Poland. The crown traditionally atop the eagle's head was removed)

There's got to be a few veterans of the Pacific front still around. Wonder how they'd feel about the Japanese hoisting this one over Iwo Jima:

 (Imperial flag of Japan, circa WWII)

Or how about the kids whose Dads died to bring down the Imperial regime. I wonder if they would have any strong feelings about the Imperial flag flapping as a celebration of Japanese "heritage" over the soil their people died to liberate. 

Americans are sissies if we roll over and accept this bonkers "heritage" stuff as an excuse to fly the Confederate flag. Ahem, no, you can't fly your flag over government buildings, that is usually a consequence for most everybody if they LOSE A WAR. Dear Sweet Jesus.

​The East German flag isn't really controversial. You can buy them openly and similar stuff from that era. Some people actually miss the culture of the DDR, The far left party has a reasonable number of elected seats, so much so that the government has put them under investigation many times due to concerns over 'constitutional protection'.

[Lilllabettt]

:facepalm:

[Didacus]

9 people get killed by an ignorant and stupid man and we are posting flags over it? Seriously people?

[Seven77]

9 people get killed by an ignorant and stupid man and we are posting flags over it? Seriously people?

You know, comments like that really irk me to no end. I think it needs to be addressed. The flag issue is directly connected to this hate crime. We need to call it what it simply is. We're not talking about merely an ignorant and stupid man, we're talking about an extremely racist and hateful man-- a man who cannot see the humanity of his own brothers and sisters. One of the standards under which he carried out his hate crime was a Confederate flag. It is directly related to his action. Denouncing the Confederate flag as a racist symbol is integral to denouncing this particular  hate crime.

Edited June 25, 2015 by Seven77

[Socrates]

 Heritage not Tyranny!

Exactly.

You can find the Union Jack in plenty of places in the States; for example, in British pubs, shops selling British stuff, promotions for "British Invasion" rock'n'roll bands, etc.  Yet somehow people manage not to get their panties in a wad about it.  Much less do they freak out about being put back under the yolk of British tyranny, and scream for that flag to be banned.

[Socrates]

You know, comments like that really irk me to no end. I think it needs to be addressed. The flag issue is directly connected to this hate crime. We need to call it what it simply is. We're not talking about merely an ignorant and stupid man, we're talking about an extremely racist and hateful man-- a man who cannot see the humanity of his own brothers and sisters. One of the standards under which he carried out his hate crime was a Confederate flag. It is directly related to his action. Denouncing the Confederate flag as a racist symbol is integral to denouncing this particular  hate crime.

And in doing so, we allow the flag to be officially defined by the hateful psychos, when it in fact does not have that meaning for many.  So, in a way, it's a victory for the hateful racists.

Besides, banning the flag or removing all such flags from view will do absolutely nothing whatever to stop or prevent such hateful acts of violence.  It's not like those murders would've been prevented, had only the Confederate flag not been flying at the courthouse at that time.

All that's going on here is politics.

[Era Might]

I prefer another X, though I can imagine the reaction if President Obama walked around with this hat on...

[Seven77]

And in doing so, we allow the flag to be officially defined by the hateful psychos, when it in fact does not have that meaning for many.  So, in a way, it's a victory for the hateful racists.

Besides, banning the flag or removing all such flags from view will do absolutely nothing whatever to stop or prevent such hateful acts of violence.  It's not like those murders would've been prevented, had only the Confederate flag not been flying at the courthouse at that time.

All that's going on here is politics.

Unfortunately, that flag was already defined by the hateful psychos---the KKK comes to mind---much like how the swastika was hijacked by Hitler. 

I will say that I find that removing the flag from Civil War Museums, etc., and video games to be a bit unreasonable.