For those who defend Trump

[Peace]

7 hours ago, fides' Jack said:

That would be a terrible argument.

True, but it’s no worse than yours.

7 hours ago, fides' Jack said:

 My opinion doesn't dictate the actions of many governments around the world.

And thank God for that. But the misinformation you and others have put out there have influenced the decisions of many. The very reason why you spend so much time posting this mumbo-jumbo is to discourage people from taking the vaccine, so you own the consequences of that.

7 hours ago, fides' Jack said:

Is "weak sauce" a fiddler here on PM?  Or are you using that term yourself?  You seem to use it (or other versions of basically the same thing) any time anyone disagrees with you.  
 

I don’t know what a fiddler is. I use the phrase when confronted with a completely non-sensical argument. You just so happen to be the author of most of them. It’s nothing personal.

7 hours ago, fides' Jack said:

And frankly, I don't see how anyone can call themselves Catholic and not agree.

I don’t see how you could think that I would care about that.

Have a blessed day.

[BG45]

On 3/14/2022 at 1:21 PM, fides' Jack said:

 

Our response to COVID was far worse than COVID itself.  And frankly, I don't see how anyone can call themselves Catholic and not agree.

This brings up an interesting question given so many of your posts:  do you feel that the Pope is Catholic?

[fides' Jack]

6 hours ago, BG45 said:

This brings up an interesting question given so many of your posts:  do you feel that the Pope is Catholic?

Define Catholic.

I believe Pope Francis will become a saint.  Does that answer your question?

Edited March 17, 2022 by fides' Jack

[Vernon]

 

[ArciMoto]

On 3/14/2022 at 12:15 PM, little2add said:

Trump advocates for the unborn, against abortion genocide ( unlike our current  administration )

He advocates for Israel and peaceful coexistence. IE:  the  Abraham peace accord  ( unlike our current  administration )

He advocates for truth, justice and the American way - not for communism ( like our current  administration )

he didn't start WW3  ( like our current  administration )

He did however, make some really mean tweets on social media outlets.

 

On 3/17/2022 at 5:40 PM, Vernon said:

 

 

AND from another thread,...

 

On 8/21/2019 at 3:26 PM, BarbaraTherese said:

...how is it that God can permit terrible suffering in order to bring about a greater good?  (Doctrine of Divine Providence).

 

so given,... 

 

 

 

FWIW WRT destruction of creation... seems according to news reports down in Antarctica there is abnormal heat wave,... "It’s 70 degrees warmer than normal"

 

https://publish.twitter.com/?query=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fwashingtonpost%2Fstatus%2F1504993079643803652&widget=Tweet

 

having followed the science for just over three decades this man made warming trend (in the polar regions) if left unchecked is going to flood costal cites all around the world

 

 

sadly,...

 

On 3/14/2022 at 6:36 PM, Peace said:

the misinformation you and others have put out there have influenced the decisions of many

 

 

On 3/14/2022 at 1:25 PM, little2add said:

 

 

[fides' Jack]

3 minutes ago, ArciMoto said:

FWIW WRT destruction of creation... seems according to news reports down in Antarctica there is abnormal heat wave,... "It’s 70 degrees warmer than normal"

I do believe there will be a huge climate shift, AND caused by man.

But caused by his sin, not his pollution.  Focus on souls, not politics.  If it were caused by pollution, people would have decades or longer to move away from the coastal regions.  As it is, it will come "like a thief in the night".  

I don't understand why people are STILL obsessed with Trump.  I go to CNN's homepage every once in a while, just to see how crazy the left is getting, and I see Trump's name there far more than Biden's.  And that's just sad.

[BG45]

On 3/16/2022 at 11:11 PM, fides' Jack said:

Define Catholic.

I believe Pope Francis will become a saint.  Does that answer your question?

It does.  Sadly it does.

 

We can all one day become saints, when purified by Christ for our sins while we are in the flames of Purgatory.  But when you say "Define Catholic" it shows what you believe right now, and your ever-increasing slide into either Sedevacantism or outright apostasy.  You consistently oppose the Pope and the Bishops, other than a few you agree with, so it becomes "Phishy", one might say, when you can't say "yes" or "no" to that question.

 

Dude, if you're going to become an End Times Evangelical Protestant, just do it.  Don't keep up this veneer of loyalty to the Church while consistently standing against her shepherds.  If you hold to the full deposit of the Faith, if you believe in the teachings and Tradition of the Roman Catholic Church, then you believe that the Holy Spirit inspired the College of Cardinals...however, if you don't believe that, then it calls into question how you feel that the Holy Spirit did not act as the Church teaches.

[fides' Jack]

20 hours ago, BG45 said:

Don't keep up this veneer of loyalty to the Church while consistently standing against her shepherds.

I don't stand against her shepherds, but as we know from Scripture, during difficult times from the beginning of creation, those who stand for the Church are accused of standing against Her.  It's an old story, and a false one.

One thing is sure, though - I'd hate to be one of those making that accusation.

20 hours ago, BG45 said:

If you hold to the full deposit of the Faith, if you believe in the teachings and Tradition of the Roman Catholic Church, then you believe that the Holy Spirit inspired the College of Cardinals...

That does not mean that the College of Cardinals is immune from making mistakes.  In fact, to claim that the College of Cardinals cannot choose a bad pope is heresy.  But I honestly don't think that's what's going on here...  That's a distraction argument.

20 hours ago, BG45 said:

however, if you don't believe that, then it calls into question how you feel that the Holy Spirit did not act as the Church teaches.

How I feel is, and has always been, irrelevant to this subject.  You keep using that word.  I tried to change the terminology in our discussion, but you keep moving it back to that.  What does it matter what I feel?  What matters is what people believe.  Belief is a choice.

20 hours ago, BG45 said:

It does.  Sadly it does.

Pope Francis has been accused of heresy, by bishops, cardinals, and priests, on a number of occasions.  He is a material heretic, and there's proof of that in spades.

However, that doesn't mean he's a formal heretic.

So, if you define a Catholic as someone who believes what the Church teaches, and shares the faith in common with the Church Militant, the Church Suffering, and the Church Triumphant, then no, he's not a Catholic. But then, at this point in history, ALL of us probably fall into the same boat.  As Fr. Ripperger has stated, it is impossible (he might have said "very difficult") to NOT be a material heretic right now, without extraordinary graces from God.

That doesn't mean that he's not the true pope.

But if you define a Catholic as a person baptized in the Catholic Faith, then all of us are Catholics, including Pope Francis. 

Both of these definitions mean different things, and they are both correct, and each has its own contexts that are appropriate for their use.

 

I am in no danger of not being Catholic because of my recognition of the current state of affairs.  Though you, like others here, are in danger of rash judgement for accusing me of standing against the pope and bishops.  As you yourself pointed out, I am in fact standing with several bishops and priests.  And we are not standing in opposition to the Church or even the pope, but with the Church, with Christ, and with His Vicar on Earth.

[BG45]

On 3/20/2022 at 5:52 PM, fides' Jack said:

I don't stand against her shepherds, but as we know from Scripture, during difficult times from the beginning of creation, those who stand for the Church are accused of standing against Her.  It's an old story, and a false one.

One thing is sure, though - I'd hate to be one of those making that accusation.

That does not mean that the College of Cardinals is immune from making mistakes.  In fact, to claim that the College of Cardinals cannot choose a bad pope is heresy.  But I honestly don't think that's what's going on here...  That's a distraction argument.

How I feel is, and has always been, irrelevant to this subject.  You keep using that word.  I tried to change the terminology in our discussion, but you keep moving it back to that.  What does it matter what I feel?  What matters is what people believe.  Belief is a choice.

Pope Francis has been accused of heresy, by bishops, cardinals, and priests, on a number of occasions.  He is a material heretic, and there's proof of that in spades.

However, that doesn't mean he's a formal heretic.

So, if you define a Catholic as someone who believes what the Church teaches, and shares the faith in common with the Church Militant, the Church Suffering, and the Church Triumphant, then no, he's not a Catholic. But then, at this point in history, ALL of us probably fall into the same boat.  As Fr. Ripperger has stated, it is impossible (he might have said "very difficult") to NOT be a material heretic right now, without extraordinary graces from God.

That doesn't mean that he's not the true pope.

But if you define a Catholic as a person baptized in the Catholic Faith, then all of us are Catholics, including Pope Francis. 

Both of these definitions mean different things, and they are both correct, and each has its own contexts that are appropriate for their use.

 

I am in no danger of not being Catholic because of my recognition of the current state of affairs.  Though you, like others here, are in danger of rash judgement for accusing me of standing against the pope and bishops.  As you yourself pointed out, I am in fact standing with several bishops and priests.  And we are not standing in opposition to the Church or even the pope, but with the Church, with Christ, and with His Vicar on Earth.

That's nice Fides.  Have fun inside that head of yours.  It's not hard to "make that accusation" when your Catholicism is nonexistent in appearance and your positions are consistently against those held by the Bishops of the Church. I honestly can't tell you're a Catholic by your posts, except when you invoke Catholicism. But we're all guilty of that at times, myself most definitely included.

 

I really do mean it about maybe looking for help though.  I know anti-depression and anti-anxiety medications have made a big difference in my life, as has therapy.  I've been forced to look at how I used to allow attacks like this to get under my skin all too easily, and how I would be the first to jump into an online fight when I thought I was right and the other person was wrong, and had to ask myself, "Why is that? Why does it matter to my self-worth? What is my goal here?"  And most of the time, it was just trying to be a mixture of getting out what I felt was necessary and needed information, and also wanting to feel that validation of being "right" that wasn't being received in other areas of my life.

 

Likewise, I've had to look at how unintentionally toxic I've been to those I loved, and how I hurt their lives as well.  Mostly by realizing how passive aggressive I can be, and how unintentionally manipulative I could be - and how cowardly it was to not examine those parts of myself and ask why they were there.  Plus, it's helped me examine why I believe certain things, why I fear certain things, and to make myself acknowledge, "Hey I can't change minds probably, so even if something is mainly for the lurkers, I need to weigh whether or not it's worth it."  And mostly, it's not been worth it, be it here, on Facebook, or on Twitter.  Not with life as short as it is, and being buried currently under an unhealthy level of work with a pretty bad work-life balance (e.g. working 60-80 hours per week).

 

So I'm sorry if I've come off as less than charitable (as I'm quite aware I have).  Your positions are seemingly so antithetical to what I hold as truth, that my brain really does have issues processing how you can believe them, without being worried for your health. Not because I think you're a bad guy, you're not, but because I've been there/am there. 

[Didacus]

Has anyone heard yet of the Oklahoma abortion ban?

If nit for Trump, I'm certain these new laws would never have been passed.  He likely saved thousands of lives thus far, and that number will likely grow in the millions in the years to come.

[fides' Jack]

@BG45 I attempted to reach out to you privately a few weeks ago but it appears your private messages have been turned off.  I am aware of how and why my faith appears non-existent to some people here.  I think I've gotten defensive because there's nothing more important to me than my Catholic Faith and identity (and everything that entails - i.e. Grace and Love of God, etc...).  Call me a conspiracy theorist, or just crazy, if you want, and I can let that go easily enough.  But my Faith is exactly what is driving my positions that I've posted here.

If you want to PM me, I'd be happy to discuss more or explain my reasons for why I will not be pursuing psychological or psychiatric "help".  But doing it here, as you noted, I've become too defensive, and I'm reacting in emotion rather than reason, so I'm backing off some.  

That being said, God's blessings and peace to you, friend.

[little2add]