I Am A Die-hard Republican Because...

[Aloysius]

[quote name='RandomProddy' date='Jun 23 2004, 12:39 PM'] Straw poll of northern Ireland says.... No [/quote]
well then, they should all LEAVE NORTHERN IRELAND.

i'm suggesting anyone who wants to be english in Northern Ireland simply MOVE TO ENGLAND.

how bout having a poll of ALL of Ireland and see what they say about it? should never have been split up to begin with, should never have been taken over to begin with.

pAx

[RandomProddy]

From what I remember this is how it goes:[list]
[*]Electorate vote for their Member of Parliament. there are 659 seats in the House of Commons.
[*]Party with the biggest number of seats gets to rule the country (if they have no overall majority they can attempt a coalition).
[*]Head of the party becomes PM.
[*]PM picks cabinet.
[/list]
The PM is not directly electable and as such is no different than the cabinet when it comes to eligibility. Catholics may become MP's therefore catholics may become PM.

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Jun 23 2004, 07:38 PM'] Ireland long a province be, A NATION ONCE AGAIN!

A NATION ONCE AGAIN! A NATION ONCE AGAIN!

get out of Northern Ireland, all the Protestants can go with you back to England! LEAVE IRELAND ALONE. arg [/quote]
Ethnic cleansing?

[Crusader_4]

Actually in Canada due to the Prot/Cath mix we were the first Britsh colony to allow CAtholics and Protestants equal powers in Parliament and to say taht Britain did not get along well with Catholics is not completley true for example in Canada they got along VERY well with Catholics (the government...citizens not as much). You still had things like the Riel rebellion and such but it was not at the same level as in other places and happened because of different issues (aboriginal rights). Anyway though from the Governement side any offical maybe CAtholic except for the Head of the Anglican Church (Head of State) and their spouse.

[Aloysius]

[quote name='RandomProddy' date='Jun 23 2004, 04:45 PM'] Ethnic cleansing? [/quote]
no. simply: those who don't want to be Irish should leave Ireland. If they want to be English they should move to England.

If they had a poll of ALL of Ireland (because it shouldn't be split anyway) i betchya it'd be overwhelmingly in favor of Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland reuniting to be one country the way it should be. England has no business holding Northern Ireland.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Jun 23 2004, 08:07 PM'] no. simply: those who don't want to be Irish should leave Ireland. If they want to be English they should move to England.

If they had a poll of ALL of Ireland (because it shouldn't be split anyway) i betchya it'd be overwhelmingly in favor of Northern Ireland and Southern Ireland reuniting to be one country the way it should be. England has no business holding Northern Ireland. [/quote]
I totally agree.

I'm only Irish by blood...

With people like Ian Paisley in northern Ireland spreading lies about Catholics, it's doubtful that those in the North have half a clue.

His site: www.ianpaisley.org <- methods of hate

My site: www.ianpaisley.net <- method for correction


God Bless,
ironmonk

[crusader1234]

If everyone in the North wants to be English, then let them be English? Who is to say they should give up their land based on the fact that they'd rather be governed by another state?

If you think that Northern Irish people should get out for not wanting to be Irish, then I think that you should also be against Athanasia for not wanting to be loyal to wherever you build it.

A hunk of land is not important - its the people and the faith that is.

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Jun 24 2004, 01:27 AM'] With people like Ian Paisley in northern Ireland spreading lies about Catholics, it's doubtful that those in the North have half a clue. [/quote]
When you have the IRA bombing libraries, childrens hospitals, schools and inner cities and claiming to do it for the united socialist catholic Ireland, I'm sure they will have a very real view of what's going on..

..but not the actual facts about Christianity. The truth is, Christ does not condone bombing civilians and certainly not in his name, whether you are protestant or catholic.

Edited June 23, 2004 by RandomProddy

[ironmonk]

[quote name='RandomProddy' date='Jun 23 2004, 08:54 PM'] When you have the IRA bombing libraries, childrens hospitals, schools and inner cities and claiming to do it for the united socialist catholic Ireland, I'm sure they will have a very real view of what's going on..

..but not the actual facts about Christianity. The truth is, Christ does not condone bombing civilians and certainly not in his name, whether you are protestant or catholic. [/quote]
The Catholic Church has nothing to do with the IRA.

The IRA are bad Catholics.

The IRA is no excuse for what Ian says about the Catholic Faith.

Have you seen some of the falsehoods he writes and posts on his website?

Here is a small list....[list]
[*]Purgatory Pickpocket
[*]The Demon of Celibacy
[*]Worship Of Saints And Angels
[*]Image Worship
[*]Rome's Perversion of the Ten Commandments
[*]The Jesuit Oath Exposed
[*]The Development of Rome - Antichrist Comes To Light
[*]The Worship of Saints
[*]The Scarlet Woman or The Revival of Romanism
[*]Papal Supremacy - A Refuge Of Lies
[*]Rome's Arrogant (Im)Morality
[*]Let The True Church Of The Papacy Stand Up!
[*]The Perils of Popery
[/list]
His site is a list of lies. If I had the money, I would sue for defimation of character. The lies are blatent and cause hate. His is to Catholics what Hitler was to Jews.


God Bless,
ironmonk

Edited June 24, 2004 by ironmonk

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Jun 24 2004, 03:09 AM'] His is to Catholics what Hitler was to Jews. [/quote]
I'm not sure if you meant it, but that was exceptionally accurate statement for this one (though I don't share your total hatred of what Paisley stands for but I agree he is a little messed up).

Hitler, claiming to be Catholic, allowing hatred in much the same way the IRA leadership do so and claim catholicism

But what you miss is: it's these actions that (some) people deduce what Catholics stand for.

Example 1: Kid walks down road, sees hospital blow up. Watches the IRA claim it was them and they claim it was good. Notes they are Catholic, deduces all Catholics are terrorists and want all Protestants dead.

Example 2: Kid walks down road, sees granny get killed by thugs on the street. Notes the thugs are Protestant, takes one look at Paisley, deduces all Protestants are terrorists and want all catholics dead.

What needs to happen is for everyone who claims to be christian to stand up and shout "STOP! THIS IS WRONG!"

[RandomProddy]

I forgot to reciprocate.

Ian Paisley is totally insane and does not stand for Christianity or Protestantism.

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Jun 24 2004, 01:07 AM'] no. simply: those who don't want to be Irish should leave Ireland. If they want to be English they should move to England. [/quote]
those who don't want to be american should leave the US. If they want to be Mexican they should move to Mexico.

Or:

those who don't want to be french-canadian should leave Canada. If they want to be french they should move to France.

Or (some time ago:)

those who don't want to be native american should leave North America. If they want to be (bla..) they should move to (somewhere else).

You think the last one is silly? We have been in Ireland since 1200.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='RandomProddy' date='Jun 23 2004, 11:00 PM'] I'm not sure if you meant it, but that was exceptionally accurate statement for this one (though I don't share your total hatred of what Paisley stands for but I agree he is a little messed up).

Hitler, claiming to be Catholic, allowing hatred in much the same way the IRA leadership do so and claim catholicism

But what you miss is: it's these actions that (some) people deduce what Catholics stand for.

Example 1: Kid walks down road, sees hospital blow up. Watches the IRA claim it was them and they claim it was good. Notes they are Catholic, deduces all Catholics are terrorists and want all Protestants dead.

Example 2: Kid walks down road, sees granny get killed by thugs on the street. Notes the thugs are Protestant, takes one look at Paisley, deduces all Protestants are terrorists and want all catholics dead.

What needs to happen is for everyone who claims to be christian to stand up and shout "STOP! THIS IS WRONG!" [/quote]
Hitler DID NOT claim to be Catholic.

There is a lot of misinformation about the Catholic Church, and that is one major misrepresentation.

God Bless,
ironmonk

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Jun 24 2004, 04:15 AM'] Hitler DID NOT claim to be Catholic.

There is a lot of misinformation about the Catholic Church, and that is one major misrepresentation. [/quote]
Not in later adult life, but he was baptised Christian and, according to William Shirer (the rise and fall of the third reich), he considered holy orders in his late teens (but this isn't alluded to much and could be variant information).

He certainly excommunicated himself and publicly rejected the faith in later life though, that is true.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='MartinLuther' date='Jun 24 2004, 01:56 AM'] In the referendum, Australia rejected a proposed republican constitution that had several major flaws (presidential powers not specified, president not elected by the people, more power to federal politicians). It wasn't really a vote for the Queen as the NO vote included not just monarchists but also many republicans who wanted a different constitution. [/quote]
Yes Thankyou!

The only place where we could pick a President was from the 1998 Government, no one outside the Gov. would have been allowed to campaign. That is why nobody voted, they decided, as my mum did, that if were going to be a republic it must be an open choice and proved upon someones own personal qualities and experience not whos in Government at the time!

And if you looked at some of the statistics, the majority of Pro-Monarchists were State heads, high level government organizations as well as Anglican, Church of England worshippers.

This isnt mentioning the unjust constitution they tried to pass on us!

[MorphRC]

[quote name='RandomProddy' date='Jun 23 2004, 09:58 PM'] -First country [i]in the entire world[/i] to ban slavery in modern history.
-Tourism.
-I think they married.
-By trading with the Irish?
-No, don't we still own you?
-Meh, most of the population or Australia disagree with you [/quote]
- Imperialist: Countries Invaded and Oppressed for the 'Greater Glory of England and God'

-Ireland
-France
-Spain [Tried]
-Iceland
-Scotland
-Egypt
-Northern Sudanese
-Israel
-Judaea
-Samaria
-Jordon
-Iran
-Iraq
-Suez Canal Area
-USA
-Canada[Tried]
-South America[Tried]

-India
-Modern Day-Pakistan [India Prior to 1940's]
-Thailand
-Hong Kong
-Taiwan
-Sri Lanka

-Pacific Islands
-Fiji, Vanuatu etc
-Australia

Aboliting of Slavery:

[b]V ABOLITION OF SLAVERY[/b]

[b]Denmark was the first European country to abolish the slave trade[/b], in 1792. Great Britain followed in 1807, and the United States followed in 1808.

[color=red][b]Microsoft Encarta 2004 Standard
© 1993-2003 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.[/b][/color]

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-Waste of Tax. Maybe you should tell the patience in the ward rooms without beds or sheets this, or the numerous millions that go swandering on making private roads for her, that block traffic and therefore delay economics. Cant have an economy working stable if you got no people there!
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King Edward IV - Son of a Archer and not the King. Pro-Monarchists say the line was fixed, but we all know how strict and disgustingly exclusive [inbreeding] the Royal family was to keep out commoners. Also once a line has been tainted, such as that it cant be fixed, but goes to the next rightful heir. [b]1441/42[/b]

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By trading with the Irish?

Lol. Yes I suppose you can look at 900 years of Rape, Murder, theft, religious oppression and destruction as trading

Btw: When did this start? Before the invasion, or after the Potatoe Famine killing Millions of irish, including some of my ancestors??
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Think above your imperialist mind.
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Yes. Try and check Newspoll Stats.
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[Aloysius]

the only place i am against Britain ruling is Ireland.

why? because i believe Ireland deserves to be it's own country-- ALL of Ireland.

polls can be accepted for Canada, or Australia, IMO, but for Northern Ireland i cannot accept a poll. I simply believe too much that ALL of Ireland is ONE and should not be seperate.

perhaps because i'm irish.

perhaps because i've been to northern ireland as a lil kid and the guy with the machine gun scared the carp out of me, and we wore our green and white Celtic tee-shirts into an orange neighborhood and freaked the people we were staying with out (we had absolutely no idea what was going on) and the one time we were out playing and some kid came over to us and asked us if we were Catholic or Protestant and, lucky for us we were ignorant: we said "we're American"

and yeah, perhaps because the machine guns and the black helicopters freak me out. yeah, i guess they're needed cause of the IRA and all that, but i just think the best solution to the problem would be that Ireland is reunited, Britain gives up control of any part of it, and those in Northern Ireland who disagree with the majority of the ENTIRE Ireland about whether England should rule there or not should either live with the rule of the majority of Ireland or go back to england.

I just wish Ireland could be at peace. We have a beautiful plate in our house with a map of Ireland (and there's no dividers on that map) and a dove flying overtop of it. that is what i want: IRELAND at peace.

I want that while Ireland once a province be, it be a nation once again.

perhaps it's some prejudice i've aquired from my family, but do you disagree that Ireland would be best off if it was united and not under british control?

[MorphRC]

The IRA are freedom fighters, I know 900 years of oppression is a bloody good reason to fight the English. As for their tactics, what else could they do? Their was no army, disciplined defence system, constant baggering and shootings by the English and Protestants.

Ironmonk is right, the Catholic Church never supported the IRA, even Gerry Adams says so in his book, and he doesnt say it in the sense to try and cover up, but their is a very big anti-catholic attitude towards the Church for not helping the IRA and their cause. He himself is Catholic, but was disgusted by the heirarchy not helping them. But we know commoner priests did.

The IRA are no worse than the Catholics fighting in Iraq, or Afghanistan, and their not exactly, Wars for Freedom, even though its played that way. The difference is, you got a nation of arms behind you, the IRA dont.

[Aloysius]

I'm sympathetic to the IRA but can't bring myself to actually support them. I agree with their goals and really wish they didn't feel the need to attain them the way they're trying to, and I remain silent as to whether or not they're justified in their methods. i honestly couldn't tell you without some sort of bias clouding me, which is why i choose to be silent about it for the time being.

[PedroX]

Morph,

I suggest you check your history a bit.

Tell me, did England try and invade Spain before or after the Spanish Armada? Oh, and occupying Palestine (as it was known then) under a League of Nations mandate, is that the "invasion" you are referring to? And is it really neccessary to list it as "Israel, Judea and Samaria" or was that just a blatant attempt to make your list longer?

Lastly, please tell me that you recognize that the "line" allegedly tainted in Edward IV's time has completely changed 3 times. You do know that, don't you?

peace...