Circle_Master Posted September 20, 2004 Posted September 20, 2004 (edited) [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Sep 16 2004, 09:18 PM'] Since you're sending 'missionaries' to Protestant websites, I figure it's only fair to call some of my friends and countrymen to invade Popedom with the Truth of the Gospel. Prepare to be boarded. [/quote] yeah! down with popedom! by the way, send me an email at vogelz@gmail.com icthus Edited September 20, 2004 by Circle_Master
MC Just Posted September 20, 2004 Posted September 20, 2004 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Sep 16 2004, 08:18 PM'] Since you're sending 'missionaries' to Protestant websites, I figure it's only fair to call some of my friends and countrymen to invade Popedom with the Truth of the Gospel. Prepare to be boarded. [/quote] ROFL
musturde Posted September 25, 2004 Posted September 25, 2004 [url="http://ogpro.proboards21.com/"]http://ogpro.proboards21.com/[/url] They sometimes mention Catholicism and, on a recent thread, some are taking Jack Chick too seriously.
noncatholicname Posted October 4, 2004 Posted October 4, 2004 [quote name='phatcatholic' date='Jul 22 2004, 04:38 PM'] [b]NOTE:[/b] if you are currently debating catholicism somewhere else on the web, please go to the link i provided in my previous post and add that site to the list so that we can join you in your cause. thanks, phatcatholic [/quote] Why? The people I've seen debating on other websites are notoriously bad at it, they wind up making the catholic religion look bad.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 4, 2004 Posted October 4, 2004 [quote name='noncatholicname' date='Oct 4 2004, 02:01 AM'] Why? The people I've seen debating on other websites are notoriously bad at it, they wind up making the catholic religion look bad. [/quote] Phatmassers are experts, lol. This is practically the top apologetics website on the web. I remember being an ignorant morally-liberal nominal Catholic and rejecting orthodoxy. I took offense at everything that was being said, regardless of whether it was meant to be offensive or not. Then I looked past the flaws of the people making the arguments and focused on the arguments themselves. They were so true, perfect, and flawless. They all fit together. Since my return to orthodoxy, I grow daily in appreciation of the Catholic faith. Don't let the apologists convince you, let the apologetics convince you. "He who has ears ought to hear..."
noncatholicname Posted October 4, 2004 Posted October 4, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Oct 4 2004, 01:07 AM'] Phatmassers are experts, lol. This is practically the top apologetics website on the web. I remember being an ignorant morally-liberal nominal Catholic and rejecting orthodoxy. I took offense at everything that was being said, regardless of whether it was meant to be offensive or not. Then I looked past the flaws of the people making the arguments and focused on the arguments themselves. They were so true, perfect, and flawless. They all fit together. Since my return to orthodoxy, I grow daily in appreciation of the Catholic faith. Don't let the apologists convince you, let the apologetics convince you. "He who has ears ought to hear..." [/quote] Still doesn't answer my question. Why is so secretive? I go to this so called list of websites and it says I don't have permission to view the thread. No one's allowed to know where you guys are supposedly "debating"?
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 4, 2004 Posted October 4, 2004 [quote name='noncatholicname' date='Oct 4 2004, 12:43 PM'] Still doesn't answer my question. Why is so secretive? I go to this so called list of websites and it says I don't have permission to view the thread. No one's allowed to know where you guys are supposedly "debating"? [/quote] Oh, you mean the Crusade. I'm not allowed either. It's not for reasons of secrecy, it's just so that people won't go into that phorum and start debating, since that phorum is meant for the Crusaders to be able to discuss apologetics amongst themselves without outsiders coming in and interrupting their efforts. I'm not allowed in there (although I have been helping with the crusade from behind the scenes), and I don't mind.
noncatholicname Posted October 5, 2004 Posted October 5, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Oct 4 2004, 04:47 PM'] Oh, you mean the Crusade. I'm not allowed either. It's not for reasons of secrecy, it's just so that people won't go into that phorum and start debating, since that phorum is meant for the Crusaders to be able to discuss apologetics amongst themselves without outsiders coming in and interrupting their efforts. I'm not allowed in there (although I have been helping with the crusade from behind the scenes), and I don't mind. [/quote] I for one don't appreciate the crusade. It only contributes to the problem.
Brother Adam Posted October 5, 2004 Posted October 5, 2004 On the other hand, I am a member of the crusade, and it has helped solve the problem for many people with open minds who were willing to at the very least, understand what Catholics teach from a Catholic. I can't even count the number of charitable discussions I"ve had through the crusade. I believe you are in the minority, Protestant or Catholic, who believe it is harmful for Catholics to express to others what they believe. Even some of the most ardent anti-Catholics don't mind Catholics teaching what they believe as they think it will show flaws in their line of reasoning. Of course it usually goes the other way.
Brother Adam Posted October 5, 2004 Posted October 5, 2004 And if you have any worries, we don't talk about anyone on an induvidual basis in the locked forum. We simply coordinate our efforts, offer up prayers, and report in from now and then to note that we are still alive.
StColette Posted October 5, 2004 Posted October 5, 2004 [quote name='noncatholicname' date='Oct 4 2004, 09:55 PM'] I for one don't appreciate the crusade. It only contributes to the problem. [/quote] Please tell me what you don't appreciate about it ? or what problems it contributes to ? First, I would like you to know that this crusade is in no way an attack on non-Catholic beliefs, because I think that may be the conclusion that you are jumping to. Rather the Crusade was instituted for younger members of phatmass to learn more about their faith and if need be how to defend it. The sole purpose of the crusade is learning. Secondly, the crusade does not allow harshness nor unkindness from the people who are involved in it. Unkindness is not tolerated nor overlooked. Third, the crusade also contributes to the clearing of of misconceptions that some people have about the Catholic Church. Face it, not all non-Catholics fully study that Catholic beliefs and teachings and they are oftened lead to misconceptions, usually contributed by anti- Catholic websites and books whose authors have not studied the Catholic Church's teachings either. God Bless, Jennie
noncatholicname Posted October 5, 2004 Posted October 5, 2004 It contributes the problem, period. There are many catholics out on protestant boards right now practicing hit and run appologetics. They go in, cry heritic and run. They run in with the 30,000 denominations argument, or what have you, and the next thing you know it's an ad hominem slug fest. It's counter productive, it' rude and uncalled for. Also, if you think My experience is in the minority, after having stated that you don't go to protestant websites, then I submit you need to think again.
Kilroy the Ninja Posted October 5, 2004 Posted October 5, 2004 I'm unpinning this since it was called for a while back....
noncatholicname Posted October 5, 2004 Posted October 5, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Oct 4 2004, 10:14 PM'] And if you have any worries, we don't talk about anyone on an induvidual basis in the locked forum. We simply coordinate our efforts, offer up prayers, and report in from now and then to note that we are still alive. [/quote] Actually, that thought hadn't occured to me. But since you mention it... I'm now wondering what goes on in there.
StColette Posted October 5, 2004 Posted October 5, 2004 [quote name='noncatholicname' date='Oct 4 2004, 11:33 PM'] It contributes the problem, period. There are many catholics out on protestant boards right now practicing hit and run appologetics. They go in, cry heritic and run. They run in with the 30,000 denominations argument, or what have you, and the next thing you know it's an ad hominem slug fest. It's counter productive, it' rude and uncalled for. Also, if you think My experience is in the minority, after having stated that you don't go to protestant websites, then I submit you need to think again. [/quote] I never stated that I didn't go to Protestant websites, in fact I stated quite clearly that I did and do go to them. Most Protestant websites I know of have an open door policy to all and welcome people with open arms. And most Protestants that I have debated with usually state that they may not agree with Catholic teachings but they respect us completely. Again I think you're trying to group all Catholics into one big bunch, we are each individually different and we each handle apologetics differently. If you read the guidelines of phatmass, we don't use the word heretic here and nor would we go around calling people heretics elsewhere. The most important thing you should understand about the crusade which is going on through phatmass is that above all it promotes kindness and peace towards all non-Catholics, we don't go around slinging dirt nor do we go and bash the mess out of them. In fact, we have many polite conversations. Also the crusade does not practice hit and run apologetics, if people ask us questions we answer them we don't just go in and slam some article in their faces and through our hands up in the air and say " We Won " Apologetic debates do not occur that way nor is it a productive way of understanding what the Catholic Church teaches. So above all you can't judge what you don't know, the crusade promotes peace between Christians, we don't need any more wedges put between us. Again some Catholics may do the post and run Apologetics but the crusade doesn't, the members of the crusade stick with a topic until all parties are completely exhausted God Bless, Jennie
noncatholicname Posted October 5, 2004 Posted October 5, 2004 (edited) [quote]So above all you can't judge [i]what you don't know[/i], the crusade promotes peace between Christians, we don't need any more wedges put between us.[/quote] You're right, and at this point there's no way to know what's going on at all, is there? Everything is kept secret, with the only the word of the members of the group as to what they are up to. [quote]I never stated that I didn't go to Protestant websites, in fact I stated quite clearly that I did and do go to them.[/quote] I wasn't addressing you directly, as many have said they don't go to such sites but still offer an opinion. Edited October 5, 2004 by noncatholicname
Thy Geekdom Come Posted October 5, 2004 Posted October 5, 2004 [quote name='noncatholicname' date='Oct 5 2004, 02:42 AM'] You're right, and at this point there's no way to know what's going on at all, is there? Everything is kept secret, with the only the word of the members of the group as to what they are up to. [/quote] Trust me, as a member of this site for over a year and a moderator, on behalf of the Catholics on this website, that nothing bad is going on in that phorum. I know these people too well and would trust them with my life.
StColette Posted October 5, 2004 Posted October 5, 2004 [quote name='noncatholicname' date='Oct 5 2004, 01:42 AM'] [/quote] [quote]You're right, and at this point there's no way to know what's going on at all, is there? Everything is kept secret, with the only the word of the members of the group as to what they are up to.[/quote] As a member of it I can speak that nothing bad or unkind is going on in there. And believe me I believe in being completely honest. If something bad or unkind were taking place in there I would completely withdraw myself from it because I would not want to be associated with such a place. It was made a private board so that the leader of the entire thing could keep straight who belongs to the crusade and who doesn't. Though many of the crusaders do ask other people on Phatmass, who are not part of the crusade, for help. It just gets really confusing when you're trying to keep a large group of people organized when people who aren't involved in it are posting on the board. [quote]I wasn't addressing you directly, as many have said they don't go to such sites but still offer an opinion.[/quote] Okay I wasn't entirely sure since it came right after the post I had made. God Bless, Jennie
cmotherofpirl Posted October 5, 2004 Posted October 5, 2004 (edited) The board is the organizational section for apologetics. People practice apologetics on each other, post references for other people, give suggestions on handling topics, and pray for each other. Some of us are prayer warriors, some of us are floaters helping out as needed. If you don't know the correct answer for something, you run it by the board, so nobody misrepresents the teachings of the Church. Thats why stuff posted by Church militant and Church scholars is reliable. We want Phatmass to always represenent the best Catholicism has to offer. Most people out there hate what they THINK the Catholic church teaches, and really have not a clue to the fullness of faith found in the Church. After all there is 2000 years of catholic history, tradition and faith. The cardinal role is politeness and charity towards all. Edited October 5, 2004 by cmotherofpirl
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