Are You Saved?

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='noncatholicname' date='Nov 18 2004, 09:20 PM'] Ask your greek expert what a forensic declaration is.  It is you who cannot see outside the box. [/quote]
Actually, in all honesty, I'd like to hear what it is from you.

I'm no Greek expert. I'm a Latin expert who knows a decent amount of the grammatical structure of Koine Greek.

[bookwyrm]

"semen illius ipsa" = the offspring of the woman herself

am I right?
Sorry if we're done with that, I just wanted to make sure everyone was crystal clear. It seemed kinda obvious to me.

BTW, we use Ecce Romani, also!

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='bookwyrm' date='Nov 19 2004, 11:43 PM'] "semen illius ipsa" = the offspring of the woman herself

am I right?
Sorry if we're done with that, I just wanted to make sure everyone was crystal clear. It seemed kinda obvious to me.

BTW, we use Ecce Romani, also! [/quote]
Nope..."semen illius" ends one clause (literally translates "her seed") and "ispa" begins the next clause. That would be easier to see if Latin had punctuation...

[Guest]

God is our father
Would a father ever not claim his son ?
As long as the son had faith in his Father
His Father would have faith in his Son
Therefore, a place would always be saved for him.
God is Love, God is mercy
As long as you keep your faith In God (Jesus Christ) you will be saved
It says in Hebrews somewere I believe, that there is even a plan of salvation for the heathen. And there is even a plan of salvation for souls who dont belive in God.
God is the judge, not one of us can sit here and say who will go to Heaven and who will go to hell. Not one of us has the right to do that.
But back to the question
If we perserve in love and have faith In our Father
then there is no way that our Father would ever deny us.
The only way God would deny us is if we chose to live in sin and be unwilling to repent of it and walk in love
And even if this was the case, God still know's his childs heart, and still has the choice to give the greatest gift he has to give..................GRACE and MERCY

Edited November 20, 2004 by Guest

[popestpiusx]

I've been saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaved by the LORD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[popestpiusx]

Actually, I was saved just yesterday as the priest said "Ego te Absolvo...."

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' date='Nov 20 2004, 04:45 PM']
God is the judge, not one of us can sit here and say who will go to Heaven and who will go to hell. Not one of us has the right to do that. [/quote]
I think you will find us in 100% agreement on that.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Nov 22 2004, 12:09 AM'] Actually, I was saved just yesterday as the priest said "Ego te Absolvo...." [/quote]


And maybe, God forbid, you'll need to be saved again!

[Guest]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Nov 21 2004, 11:42 PM'] I think you will find us in 100% agreement on that. [/quote]
hey homeschool mom
peace n love to you

i wasnt tryen to sound mean or arguementive
i was jus going off on one of my preacher sermons

but ya, i dont like it when people say that "IF YOU DID NOT ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR SAVIOR YOUR GOING TO HELL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

hate when i hear that, cuz then your putting yourself in the place of God
God will decide who goes to Heaven and who goes to hell

And ya'll are some smart catholics
im'a dumb catholic
ya'll are smart, you spit out some interesting facts
much love to ya'll for that
peaceeeeeee

[Guest]

" Are you saved ? "

I do think this can be reply'd to as a yes
I see wut ya'll are sayen about how its a daily battle down to the very second
BUT
I am confident, as long as i keep my faith, MY GOD, will never forsake me
so ya, I do think I can confidently say " I Am Saved "
I cant speak for everyone, but I know I will never lose faith in my savior
Ive been to the point where I lost faith, and the miracles God sent me were so extreme to where I could never doubt his name again.....HE IS LIVEING
PRAISE GOD

Edited November 22, 2004 by Guest

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Raphael' date='Nov 22 2004, 01:18 AM']

And maybe, God forbid, you'll need to be saved again! [/quote]
I would almost gurantee it.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Nov 22 2004, 01:45 PM'] I would almost gurantee it. [/quote]
Remember that sanctity is found in penance, not perfection.

[cmotherofpirl]

WE haven't changed the Bible, if it hadn't been for the Catholic Church you wouldn't even have one.

[mulls]

[quote name='Delivery Boy' date='Nov 22 2004, 01:42 AM'] " Are you saved ? "

I do think this can be reply'd to as a yes
I see wut ya'll are sayen about how its a daily battle down to the very second
BUT
I am confident, as long as i keep my faith, MY GOD, will never forsake me
so ya, I do think I can confidently say " I Am Saved "
I cant speak for everyone, but I know I will never lose faith in my savior
Ive been to the point where I lost faith, and the miracles God sent me were so extreme to where I could never doubt his name again.....HE IS LIVEING
PRAISE GOD [/quote]
amen, because of Jesus, amen.

[cmotherofpirl]

I am not saved yet, because I am still alive and quite capable of grave mortal sin.
I won't know where I'm going until Jesus tells me.

Edited November 25, 2004 by cmotherofpirl

[ironmonk]

[quote name='mulls' date='Nov 25 2004, 12:47 AM'] amen, because of Jesus, amen. [/quote]
That's not what Jesus said.

There is no assuance of salvation for any man... According to Christ.

[b]St. Matt 10:22 [/b] [color=red]You will be hated by all because of my name, but whoever endures to the end will be saved. [/color]

We will be saved at the end, if we endure to the end.

[b]St. Matt 24:13 [/b] [color=red]But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.[/color]

We will be saved at the end, if we persevere to the end.

[b]St. Luke 8:13 [/b] [color=red]Those on rocky ground are the ones who, when they hear, receive the word with joy, but they have no root; they believe only for a time and fall away in time of trial.[/color]

Some will believe for a while and fall away... How can any man know if he will not fall away until the end?



God Bless,
ironmonk

[mulls]

if i can trust Him to save me i can trust Him to keep me.... as i do my part to make my calling and election sure, and to keep my faith alive by good works.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='mulls' date='Nov 25 2004, 01:11 AM'] if i can trust Him to save me i can trust Him to keep me.... as i do my part to make my calling and election sure, and to keep my faith alive by good works. [/quote]
Those who fall believe the same thing.

What makes you different from everyone else who believes that they are "saved" but yet wrong about it?

Are you sure that you're 'sure'?


What did Jesus say? ...not until the end.

Many cry "Lord, Lord" and are not saved.


God Bless,
ironmonk

Edited November 25, 2004 by ironmonk

[mulls]

i dont know, you tell me how they're "wrong about it"

i can only takes people's word for it, examining trees by their fruit. im sure about Jesus, thats it.

[Mateo el Feo]

Some of my experience on the topic of "true faith" for assured salvation...

The protestant argument I've heard regarding those who seemingly lose their faith is the following: "They just didn't have a [i]true [/i]faith."

Interestingly, the possibility of a person "not having a true faith" is easily entertained by one protestant believer judging another; but it's considered impossible when a protestant thinks about his own faith.

I think this relates to the idea of getting rid of the log in one's own eye first. How easy it is to exagerate the faults of others and minimize our own.

[b]Examining trees by their fruit.[/b]

Regarding the idea of judging another person's faith by fruits, I think it's important to know that we cannot see what God sees. I think that looking for fruits is valid, but we should know our limits in our ability to "examine the tree."

A person who appears holy may be submitting to sin in his thoughts. A person who succumbs to visible sins may have a truly penitent heart. God knows.

PS--I thought that the following might give believers hope so they do not despair when striving for holiness. Saint Paul writes in his letter to the Romans (3:23), "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." This reminds me to persevere when dealing with my own faults.

PPS--I don't presume that I have salvation. But I do have the hope in Jesus Christ that I might receive the grace to remain faithful to Him until I leave this world.