Are You Saved?

[jesussaves]

Praise the Lord.

[Guest Aluigi]

depends.. i'm saved, but not ETERNALLY saved, you can only be sure of eternal salvation after you persevere to the end and work out your salvation in fear and trembling

i won't say "maybe" or "no" because I know for sure, in this moment, I am saved from my past sins. but i won't say "yes" because i have a whole life ahead of me and I can't be arogant and prideful claiming that there's no chance I could end up in hell.

can't answer... sorry.

[crusader1234]

I put maybe, because although I'm currently on my way to being saved, I won't really know for sure until I die...

[Guest Aluigi]

yeah, but you're sure you're saved right now (unless you've currently turned away, God forbid!)... you're just not sure of your eternal salvation...

there's no reasonable Catholic answer to this poll

[Dave]

I have been saved, I am currently being saved, and I hope to be saved.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Dontcha love "false dichotomy" type questions?

"Hey John, are you a girl or a woman?"

[Guest Aluigi]

amen Dave
I have been saved [i]Rom. 8:24; Eph. 2:5,8; 2 Tim. 1:9; Titus 3:5[/i]
I am being saved [i]1 Cor. 1:18; 2 Cor. 2:15; Phil. 2:12; 1 Peter 1:9[/i]
I will be saved in the end <if I persevere and work out my salvation in fear and trembling> [i]Matt. 10:22, 24:13; Mark 13:13; Mark 16:16; Acts 15:11; Rom. 5:9-10; Rom. 13:11; 1 Cor. 3:15; 1 Cor. 5:5; 2 Tim. 2:11-12; Heb. 9:28; James 5:15 [/i]

that's the only Biblical perspective

[Guest Aluigi]

I voted [url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=23976&st=0entry420410"]YesNoI don't know[/url]

[jesussaves]

[quote]yes, i'm saved
no, i'm not sure of my eternal salvation
maybe i'll be saved in the end if i endure![/quote]

You are playing with words. Jesus only saves those who have faith in Him. Unless you repent, I am sorry for your impending damnation.

Edited November 17, 2004 by jesussaves

[Guest Aluigi]

i have faith in Him. I also believe in the Bible and His Church. that's why I work out my salvation in fear and trembling (like the Bible commands us to) and resolve to persevere to the end.

[jesussaves]

"fear and trembling" Fear here means to respect and trembling means to do so with awe. You do not only tremble when you are afraid.

Please, for your very immortal soul, convert. Ask more questions and the Spirit will guide you. Remember, ask and ye shall receive.

[Guest Aluigi]

i know what fear and trembing is.

i'm touched that you're concerned, but I am in the Universal Christian Church. You're the one that should convert .

anyway, the Christian life is a constant conversion, deeper and deeper into the Truth of Christ. i'm constantly repenting of my sins and keeping my eyes towards Christ. when I look away, i tend to immediately repent.

Edited November 17, 2004 by Aluigi

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='jesussaves' date='Nov 16 2004, 08:51 PM'] "fear and trembling" Fear here means to respect and trembling means to do so with awe. You do not only tremble when you are afraid.

Please, for your very immortal soul, convert. Ask more questions and the Spirit will guide you. Remember, ask and ye shall receive. [/quote]
How does the definition of "fear and trembling" contradict the Catholic position?

[rachael]

[quote name='jesussaves' date='Nov 16 2004, 07:43 PM']
You are playing with words. Jesus only saves those who have faith in Him. Unless you repent, I am sorry for your impending damnation. [/quote]

[jesussaves]

[quote]yes, i'm saved
no, i'm not sure of my eternal salvation[/quote]

When Jesus saves, he saves for good. All that other being saved but not eternally stuff is just nonsense. Again, you are playing with words.

I have a feeling that you realize what I mean when I ask are you saved, but you do not want to face the truth of your lie. I am asking are you eternally saved?

Edited November 17, 2004 by jesussaves

[Guest Aluigi]

The Holy Gospel According to St. Matthew Chapter X, Verse XXII
The Sacred Words of Our Lord Jesus Christ:
[color=#FF0000]he that shall persevere unto the end, he shall be saved.[/color]

If I persevere to the end, I will be eternally saved.

[Guest Aluigi]

[quote name='Aluigi' date='Nov 16 2004, 07:20 PM'] [b]I have been saved[/b] [i]Rom. 8:24; Eph. 2:5,8; 2 Tim. 1:9; Titus 3:5[/i]
[b]I am being saved[/b] [i]1 Cor. 1:18; 2 Cor. 2:15; Phil. 2:12; 1 Peter 1:9[/i]
[b]I will be saved in the end[/b] <if I persevere [i]Mt. 10:22; Mt. 24:13[/i] and work out my salvation in fear and trembling [i]Php. 2:12[/i]> [i]Matt. 10:22, 24:13; Mark 13:13; Mark 16:16; Acts 15:11; Rom. 5:9-10; Rom. 13:11; 1 Cor. 3:15; 1 Cor. 5:5; 2 Tim. 2:11-12; Heb. 9:28; James 5:15 [/i]

that's the only Biblical perspective [/quote]
I repeat.

[Guest Aluigi]

Following Saint Paul's advice in his Epistle to the Romans (hey, I'm basically a Roman, Catholic in the Roman Rite ) [i]Chapter XII Verse XII[/i], I rejoice in my hope (not my assurance) for salvation.

[jesussaves]

The Lord is my Shepard.

[Guest Aluigi]

woops, this is all so confusing! so many polls.. sheesh lol

I rejoice in the hope that I have of eternal salvation through Christ.

If on my deathbed I reject Him in my heart, I will go to hell just as if I had rejected Him right now and lived a life of sin. Heaven is for those who persevere to the end, my poor confused friend, not those who at one point accept Christ.

I guess I'll vote maybe... though I would love to vote probably (i have tremendous hope through my faith)