Some times I feel like God Hates Women

[Lil Red]

chris west does some awesome stuff on this in Theology of the Body...you just definitely check it out, balthazor.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Theoketos' date='Nov 28 2004, 10:41 PM']
[quote name='"John 16:20"']When a woman is in labor, she is in anguish because her hour has arrived; but when she has given birth to a child, she no longer remembers the pain because of her joy that a child has been born into the world. [/quote]
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true.

[Krush2k2]

Women have the gift of bringing life into this world.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Krush2k2' date='Nov 29 2004, 12:39 AM'] Women have the gift of bringing life into this world. [/quote]
That is such an awesome gift...we should all be in awe of women for it...

[XIX]

Sometimes I wonder--just wonder, if I'll find more women in Heaven.

Of course I still have to get to Heaven before trying to figure that out anyways...but I do have a higher opinion of more girls than I do of guys.

[picchick]

But don't forget.

God made us to be sensitive so that we can help out each other. We are the more caring of the two.

God gave us so many qualities that men do not have.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='picchick' date='Nov 29 2004, 02:20 AM'] But don't forget.

God made us to be sensitive so that we can help out each other. We are the more caring of the two.

God gave us so many qualities that men do not have. [/quote]


I admire women far more than I admire men. The only exception is that Jesus is best, but over all other men is Mary, who is also over all women.

Women are naturally more caring, more motherly, more intuitive, more spiritual, more...the list goes on. I love women.

[cmotherofpirl]

There is nothing better than being a woman. We bring life into the world. But our society does not value this, encourage this or protect us.

As a single , divorced woman [ not by choice] who had to raise 3-4 kids I would love to find a man that wanted me to stay home and take care of the house and raise children, and not have to work night -turn and raise babies at the same time.

I would love to have a man in charge of running the show. Having to be mother, father, decisionmaker, disciplinarian, cook, handyman, plumber, den mother, housekeeper, breadwinner, tough guy in charge smells of elderberries.

In our society , men have gotten off easy, and made it much harder for women to do the things we do best - lovingly raise the next generation.

[popestpiusx]

Cmom, I have a question. It's kind of chicken and egg question. Which came first, feminism or men's abandonment of true manly virtue. There is no question that one of the major problems of society is the absence (or scarcity) of real men infused with true manly virtue (to be distinguished from machoism). Did feminism rise as a result of this void, or did feminsim cause men to retreat?

[homeschoolmom]

Men bring something so needed in the family that just can't be duplicated by Mom...

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Nov 29 2004, 10:31 AM'] Cmom, I have a question. It's kind of chicken and egg question. Which came first, feminism or men's abandonment of true manly virtue. There is no question that one of the major problems of society is the absence (or scarcity) of real men infused with true manly virtue (to be distinguished from machoism). Did feminism rise as a result of this void, or did feminsim cause men to retreat? [/quote]
My precaffeine ramble:
Neither are a cause, both are the result of the 60's idea that all authority is bad.
Feminism started long ago when women decided to protest their unequal and unjust and unethical treatment by men, when women were virtual slaves of the husbands. I would actually trace most of it back to the French Revolution and naturalism.

But in the quest for freedom, women threw out the baby with the bathwater. In removing restrainsts on divorce, women unintentionally gave permission to men to run away from their responsibilites with little or no punishment. We took away all the social constructs that forced men to take care of the children they produced and protected women and children. Men abandoned their roles because its easier and because we let them.
By demanding the right to work, we set up the idea that women should work, and finally demand they have to work.From being for equality in the workplace, we now actually punish who wanted to stay home and raise babies.

We wanted equal pay for equal work, and protection from unendurable abusive marriages, we got far more than we bargained for, with mostly dire results. Most women did not buy into feminism as it was strumpeted, so the radical female type took it over and have pushed it to its stupidity we see today.

Feminism didn't cause men to retreat, it gave them permission. :angry:

[popestpiusx]

I think I would agree with that, with the additional statement that men failed by stepping back and allowing it to happen. Had men reacted the way they should have, the radical feminist movement would have died, in my opinion. I think ultimately the blame must be placed on men who ceased to act with manly virtue. They (or I should say, we) abandoned our post.

Edited November 29, 2004 by popestpiusx

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Nov 29 2004, 11:53 AM'] I think I would agree with that, with the additional statement that men failed by stepping back and allowing it to happen. Had men reacted the way they should have, the radical feminist movement would have died, in my opinion. [/quote]
How do you suggest they should have reacted...? and to what time period are you referring?

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Nov 29 2004, 12:56 PM'] How do you suggest they should have reacted...? and to what time period are you referring? [/quote]

In general I would say it has happened over the course of the last 200 years, though most noticeably that last hundred with issues such as women’s suffrage. Of course, it got its greatest boost from the 1950's on with people like Betty Friedan and company. That was the crucial moment when men ultimately failed to see it for what is was, a social revolution. The entire fabric of society was torn asunder. This is the same time period, not coincidently, produced the Pill, which was merely a precursor to legal abortion. How are men responsible? They were bought off. If they had fewer children and then the wives were free to enter the workplace (which resulted in a whole other revolution of sorts), which made more money for them to spend on toys: nicer houses in suburbia, more fashionable cars to replace the family station wagon, etc. etc. Men like toys. Men like sex. The feminist revolution allowed them to have both, with fewer "negative" repercussions.

How should they have reacted? They should have used the authority they had as the heads of households, or of businesses, or as politicians, or whatever, to re-enforce the social order and not be cowed by a few noisy feminazis.

God made each sex with distinct gifts. They are equal in human dignity, but not in social role. Modern egalitarianism is detrimental to the dignity of women because it slaps God in face and basically tells Him that he didn't know what he was doing when he "formed them in the womb".

Edited November 29, 2004 by popestpiusx

[Deeds]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Nov 29 2004, 05:53 PM'] I think I would agree with that, with the additional statement that men failed by stepping back and allowing it to happen. Had men reacted the way they should have, the radical feminist movement would have died, in my opinion. I think ultimately the blame must be placed on men who ceased to act with manly virtue. They (or I should say, we) abandoned our post. [/quote]
I think men failed more by their treatment of women throughout history. Denying them education, denying them voting rights, and so on - in other words, by subduing them and supporting the idea that women should be seen and not heard. When that bubble burst, no wonder the momentum led to the balance swinging too far to the other side.

Not that I blame men for it - both sexes are equally at fault.