Some times I feel like God Hates Women

[popestpiusx]

I was going to quickly address a few unfortunate historical errors in Amarkich's post, but I guess there is no point now.

Edited December 2, 2004 by popestpiusx

[Balthazor]

Amarikich's comments make me think that he would definately not like me if he met me in person.

[Balthazor]

And just for you all that came out and showed your support, thanks.

I know that God doesn't hate women, it is just that sometimes the injustices of this world make me cranky.

On the other hand I am a person that quite literally worked in a place with a glass ceiling: a whole sale greenhouse.....
and after two years of being my boss's trurty right-hand woman.....
he gave me an oppropriate job.....

I got to go up with one of the guys on the roof of the greenhouse and white wash* it!!!!


*white wash is used on large greenhouse roofs to keep the interior of the greehouse a little cooler and to provide shade for certain plants

[Mr. Cube]

[quote name='Balthazor' date='Dec 2 2004, 01:16 AM']Amarikich's comments make me think that he would definately not like me if he met me in person.[/quote]
amarkich forgot to quote everything St. Paul said about wearing veils at Mass and why.

1 Be ye followers of me, as I also am of Christ. 2 Now I praise you, brethren, that in all things you are mindful of me: and keep my ordinances as I have delivered them to you. 3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying with his head covered, disgraceth his head. 5 But every woman praying or prophesying with her head not covered, disgraceth her head: for it is all one as if she were shaven.

6 For if a woman be not covered, let her be shorn. But if it be a shame to a woman to be shorn or made bald, let her cover her head. 7 The man indeed ought not to cover his head, because he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of the man. 8 For the man is not of the woman, but the woman of the man. 9 For the man was not created for the woman, but the woman for the man. 10 Therefore ought the woman to have a power over her head, because of the angels.

[i]10 "A power"... that is, a veil or covering, as a sign that she is under the power of her husband: and this, the apostle adds, because of the angels, who are present in the assemblies of the faithful.[/i]

[b]11 But yet neither is the man without the woman, nor the woman without the man, in the Lord. 12 For as the woman is of the man, so also is the man by the woman: but all things of God.[/b] 13 You yourselves judge: doth it become a woman, to pray unto God uncovered? 14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that a man indeed, if he nourish his hair, it is a shame unto him? 15 But if a woman nourish her hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering.

16 But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor the church of God.

([url="http://www.drbo.org/chapter/53011.htm"]1 Corinthians 1-16[/url])

amarkich needs to read the part I bolded.

So anyway, regarding wearing veils at Mass, the subject of the Bible quote, correct me if i'm wrong, but there seem to be 3 good reasons to wear a veil at Mass:
[list]
[*]Modesty.
[*]Humility.
[*]To identify with Eve, whom God loved so much that he died on a cross, so she could be with him forever.
[/list]
God Bless,

Mr. Cube

[Balthazor]

The part about veils isn't why he wouldn't like me.

I always dress appropriatly for the place. I have been to many places requiring that a woman's head, or shoulders or whatever be covered..... I have no problem with that, I Have ALWAYS been reverent and respectful. :unplugged:




I should start a new topic on this subject..... I think it is interesting.

Edited December 2, 2004 by Balthazor

[popestpiusx]

I still owe smom and hsmom a response.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Dec 2 2004, 08:13 AM'] I still owe smom and hsmom a response. [/quote]
yes, you do.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Dec 2 2004, 02:22 AM'] I was going to quickly address a few unfortunate historical errors in Amarkich's post, but I guess there is no point now. [/quote]
Sure there is.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='amarkich' date='Dec 1 2004, 03:09 PM'] Sojourner, that is quite a predicament, but it is not as if I have devised some system into which you must fit. I am simply explicating, as well as I may, what the consensus of all humans was before Modernism (in which I include Feminism, the French and American Revolutions, Secularism, and other modern errors). Further, I also am simply giving the practice of Catholic societies. No Catholic society ever talked about civil rights. No Catholic society ever said women should be allowed to work in the workplace. No Catholic society ever said women should be able to vote, to have equal pay, or to have equal opportunity. Further, to answer your question, in my opinion (and that of Catholic culture, even into the 50s and 60s in America), a person in that situation should be living at home. I do not necessarily even make an exception for males in this regard. I think the family is an important aspect of life and that men and women should live in their families until they are married and have their own families or until they enter priestly or religious life. I suppose, then, that you would fit [i]per se [/i]into the system by living at home. That is my opinion, or, rather, it is the opinion of Catholic culture throughout history (up to and including America even until the feminist movement). [/quote]
Amarkich,
My father could not afford to support me if I lived at home and did not work a job that pays. Also, if I lived at home, I would not be able to do the type of work that I do. In addition, my parents are not Catholic, so the likelihood of my being able to convert if I were at home would have been nil. And my parents are not likely to be fans of my marrying someone who's Catholic. They definitely weren't fans of my conversion.

As to your comments about Catholic society and human rights, I suggest you do a bit of research. [url="http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=2876"]Here is an article on the topic of human rights[/url]; [url="http://www.eppc.org/publications/pubID.2107/pub_detail.asp"]Here is another paper by George Weigel on the topic[/url]. I actually heard George Weigel speak on this topic recently. To highlight a couple of sentences from the latter article (emphasis mine):
[quote]Right thinking about society does not begin, in other words, with the state, the party, the tribe, the ethnic group, [b]or the gender group[/b]. It begins with the individual human person. Society and its legal expression, the state, must always be understood to be in service to the integral development of the human person. The state, in particular, has an obligation to defend the basic human rights of persons, which are "built into" us by reason of our very humanity. [/quote]

[popestpiusx]

OK here goes:

I believe all women should be silent, barefoot, and pregnant all the time (except during the time after birth where conception is impossible). No vote. No work, save that work whereby I am served, and my house is kept.

There.

Real answer to follow when I get back home this afternoon....

[Gal. 5:22,23]

Ah hem.

I found this:

Women of Grace" - a response
Johnette Benkovic, of EWTN's The Abundant Life, has responded to this situation by launching Women of Grace as a comprehensive plan for Catholic women that will offer study groups, videos, conferences and an Internet forum.

"We realized that our women viewers were hungry for an authentic Catholic life informed by the Scripture and the teachings of the Church", said Mrs. Benkovic. "Many of us have not really learned anything about our faith since we left school -- that is, if we went to a Catholic school. The time is ripe to help inform Catholic women about the immense riches of our faith", she said.

Thus, Mrs. Benkovic has commissioned the first in a series of six curricula designed to integrate Scripture and Pope John Paul II's Mulieris Dignitatem, on the Dignity and Vocation of Women. The first in the series, "Women of Grace", is based on her own book of that title. The study program will employ both the book and a workbook designed to elicit personal responses from participants.

"Our purpose is to affirm women in their dignity as daughters of God", said Mrs. Benkovic. The study groups would not only develop increased understanding of Catholic teaching, but also form a bond among women seeking to live heroic, Catholic lives. The women will be encouraged to rediscover the special grace of their womanhood and the specific mission God has entrusted to women.

The Women of Grace program is meant to assist women in understanding their feminine vocation in its theological, social and cultural dimensions.

The Women of Grace format is designed to be "user-friendly". The program will include a teaching video featuring Mrs. Benkovic that the hostess or parish director pops into a VCR. Afterward there is time for discussion. Participants also follow lessons each day of the week in a special workbook, returning on "group day" to share their insights. Use of approved materials, videos and resources promises women that what they are learning is from the heart of the Church.

Women of Grace programs may supply an answer for busy pastors looking for a reliable and effective parish study program for women. The tape-discussion-notebook format makes it easy to conduct meetings, whether in parish facilities for large groups or in a home for a smaller gathering.

In addition to the study groups, regional "Women of Grace" conferences are planned. The inaugural conference will be held in Doylestown, Pennsylvania on October 3, 2003, at the National Shrine of Our Lady of Czestochowa. Participants may join a model study group, meet others, and review Women of Grace materials, as well as hear interesting women speakers.

Catholic women in democratic countries are uniquely placed to transform their cultures. Taking full advantage of programs such as Women of Grace is one means of preparing to re-evangelize our world and build the Kingdom of God.

For more information please see www.womenofgrace.com or call 800-558-5452.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Dec 2 2004, 10:47 AM'] OK here goes:

I believe all women should be silent, barefoot, and pregnant all the time (except during the time after birth where conception is impossible). No vote. No work, save that work whereby I am served, and my house is kept.

There.

Real answer to follow when I get back home this afternoon.... [/quote]


HSmom is gonna slap you...

[azaelia]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Dec 2 2004, 10:47 AM'] I believe all women should be silent, barefoot, and pregnant all the time (except during the time after birth where conception is impossible). No vote. No work, save that work whereby I am served, and my house is kept. [/quote]




I have friends you would like

[CreepyCrawler]

[quote name='Balthazor' date='Nov 28 2004, 04:21 PM'] Guys don't have to deal with even half the carp we do.

They don't get periods, they don't get pregnant, they get paid more, they are almost always stronger, they don't have menapause, they get to be priests.

And for a while the daft evened things out...girls didn't get drafted. But now I am almost sure that if there ever was a draft we would be included.

I don't get it. Women are in general more spiritual than men and tend to have a stronger belief in God. And yet he throws all this carp on us.

It ain't equal....it never will be, I don't even feel like I have the same human dignity as a guy. [/quote]
i think it would be hard to be a good catholic guy today. i'm glad i'm a girl. if a girl chooses to not have sex before marriage, she's viewed as a prude and not normal. if a guy chooses not to have sex before marriage he's viewed as possibly gay and could get beat up. if a girl is sensitive, that's normal. if a boy is sensitive, he's gay. even though boys can be priests, women can be mothers. even though girls have periods, men have to deal with sexual images all around (i would rather be uncomfortable and cranky than have such temptations all around me 24-7). men may be physically stronger, but girls can tolerate pain better AND WE'RE PRETTIER! i don't know.... there seem to be pros and cons to both. but God loves us both and made us who we are to glorify Him. don't listen to people who don't respect your femininity -- embrace and enjoy it.

[Azriel]

[hijack] for you Balthazor:

Phenomenal Woman - Maya Angelou

Pretty women wonder where my secret lies.
I'm not cute or built to suit a fashion model's size
But when I start to tell them,
They think I'm telling lies.
I say,
It's in the reach of my arms
The span of my hips,
The stride of my step,
The curl of my lips.
I'm a woman
Phenomenally.
Phenomenal woman,
That's me.

I walk into a room
Just as cool as you please,
And to a man,
The fellows stand or
Fall down on their knees.
Then they swarm around me,
A hive of honey bees.
I say,
It's the fire in my eyes,
And the flash of my teeth,
The swing in my waist,
And the joy in my feet.
I'm a woman
Phenomenally.
Phenomenal woman,
That's me.

Men themselves have wondered
What they see in me.
They try so much
But they can't touch
My inner mystery.
When I try to show them
They say they still can't see.
I say,
It's in the arch of my back,
The sun of my smile,
The ride of my breasts,
The grace of my style.
I'm a woman

Phenomenally.
Phenomenal woman,
That's me.

Now you understand
Just why my head's not bowed.
I don't shout or jump about
Or have to talk real loud.
When you see me passing
It ought to make you proud.
I say,
It's in the click of my heels,
The bend of my hair,
the palm of my hand,
The need of my care,
'Cause I'm a woman
Phenomenally.
Phenomenal woman,
That's me.

[/hijack]