Brother Adam Posted January 10, 2005 Posted January 10, 2005 The battle cry of every teen should be "Stop murdering my generation"
spathariossa Posted January 10, 2005 Posted January 10, 2005 The more I learn, the more I discover that PP and abortion are the greatest of evils afflicting this planet. I can never have children and it pains me greatly. That so many thousands are brutally murdered when people like me would be willing to love them pains my soul.
MilesChristi Posted January 10, 2005 Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jan 9 2005, 10:04 PM']The battle cry of every teen should be "Stop murdering my generation"[/quote] AMEN.
Q the Ninja Posted January 10, 2005 Posted January 10, 2005 Definition of evil: [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05649a.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05649a.htm[/url]
Q the Ninja Posted January 10, 2005 Posted January 10, 2005 By moral evil are understood the deviation of human volition from the prescriptions of the moral order and the action which results from that deviation. Such action, when it proceeds solely from ignorance, is not to be classed as moral evil, which is properly restricted to the motions of will towards ends of which the conscience disapproves. The extent of moral evil is not limited to the circumstances of life in the natural order, but includes also the sphere of religion, by which man's welfare is affected in the supernatural order, and the precepts of which, as depending ultimately upon the will of God, are of the strictest possible obligation (see SIN). The obligation to moral action in the natural order is, moreover, generally believed to depend on the motives supplied by religion; and it is at least doubtful whether it is possible for moral obligation to exist at all apart from a supernatural sanction.
Q the Ninja Posted January 10, 2005 Posted January 10, 2005 Be careful that you aren't arguing based on passions here, too. I definately do not like the existence of Planned Parenthood, and I guess you can use evil as very bad, but in the traditional sense of the word, I do not believe the Scholastics would call Planned Parenthood itself evil.
Apotheoun Posted January 10, 2005 Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Q the Ninja' date='Jan 9 2005, 08:48 PM'] Be careful that you aren't arguing based on passions here, too. I definately do not like the existence of Planned Parenthood, and I guess you can use evil as very bad, but in the traditional sense of the word, I do not believe the Scholastics would call Planned Parenthood itself evil. [/quote] Planned Parenthood is not a person, it is simply a "corporation," a legal fiction, and as such it most certainly can be evil, for it originates from the disordered wills of those who founded and maintain it. God bless, Todd
Q the Ninja Posted January 10, 2005 Posted January 10, 2005 (edited) [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jan 9 2005, 07:19 PM'] They are evil people doing evil actions and getting paid for it and encouraging others to evil as well. May they recieve as much mercy as they have shown to the babies they chop up. [/quote] I do believe that they have committed evil actions, and many (most?) probably know that it's an evil act that they're committing. This does not make them evil people. St. Augustine once stole a set of pears. He knew that the act was evil. He knew that what he was doing was wrong. It was wrong. That didn't make him an evil person, and he says this (read [i]Confessions[/i]). This is something that stumped him, but he knows that he wasn't an evil person, in fact, he didn't actually chose the evil for evil's sake. Edited January 10, 2005 by Q the Ninja
Q the Ninja Posted January 10, 2005 Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jan 9 2005, 09:52 PM'] Planned Parenthood is not a person, it is simply a "corporation," a legal fiction, and as such it most certainly can be evil, for it originates from the disordered wills of those who founded and maintain it. God bless, Todd [/quote] I think of Planned Parenthood as made up of the people, and as such, I don't think it's evil in that sense. I'm not saying it's good, but I have a hard time separating Planned Parenthood and the people involved.
Apotheoun Posted January 10, 2005 Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Q the Ninja' date='Jan 9 2005, 08:57 PM'] I think of Planned Parenthood as made up of the people, and as such, I don't think it's evil in that sense. I'm not saying it's good, but I have a hard time separating Planned Parenthood and the people involved. [/quote] If a group of people found the Church of Satan, would you say that the Church of Satan, and all of its activities, are good, simply because the persons who founded it, in so far as they exist, are good? Such a position is nonsensical, most certainly the Church of Satan is evil; so too, Planned Parenthood as an organization founded by human beings upon principles repugnant to the moral order is evil. God bless, Todd
Q the Ninja Posted January 10, 2005 Posted January 10, 2005 I agree with the principles and the actions being evil, I won't argue that. However, do we define something just by the ideology and the actions? I always thought that the people/matter are important too.
jp2_rules Posted January 10, 2005 Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jan 9 2005, 08:19 PM'] They are evil people doing evil actions and getting paid for it and encouraging others to evil as well. May they recieve as much mercy as they have shown to the babies they chop up. [/quote] i agree completely that it is evil, and it makes me wanna cry what they do to poor innocent babies! but, the mercy thing isn't really our choice, and i'd just assume leave that to the Big Boss upstairs. we can pray for justice, perhaps, but you seem to be praying for their damnation, which i don't agree with.
Apotheoun Posted January 10, 2005 Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Q the Ninja' date='Jan 9 2005, 09:05 PM'] I agree with the principles and the actions being evil, I won't argue that. However, do we define something just by the ideology and the actions? I always thought that the people/matter are important too. [/quote] You are confusing Planned Parenthood with a person, but it is not a person, instead it is simply a legal fiction. Moreover, although it is true that evil is a privation of the good and as such has no essence; that does not mean that it has no existence. Moral evil receives existence from the disordered will of man. Thus, Planned Parenthood, which comes into existence through the actions of many individuals, is itself an existing evil, and as such it is totally repugnant to God and should be legally suppressed. God bless, Todd
littleflower+JMJ Posted January 10, 2005 Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jan 9 2005, 08:15 PM'] woah. littleflower, you've got a hoppin' mad side to you too. [/quote] believe it or not, it takes alot to make me mad -_- im no friend/fan of pp
littleflower+JMJ Posted January 10, 2005 Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Jan 9 2005, 11:00 PM'] If a group of people found the Church of Satan, would you say that the Church of Satan, and all of its activities, are good, simply because the persons who founded it, in so far as they exist, are good? Such a position is nonsensical, most certainly the Church of Satan is evil; so too, Planned Parenthood as an organization founded by human beings upon principles repugnant to the moral order is evil. God bless, Todd [/quote] there are many simliarities between the one above and abortion.... *shudders* so true...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted January 10, 2005 Posted January 10, 2005 Look, whether or not the PP corporation is made of up of supposedly good people doing evil things, or is just an evil thing in and of itself is kinda irrelavent. The products and services of Planned Parenthood are unadulterated, 100% pure Grade A EVIL. Period. To argue that "good" mis-guided people work there is hogwash. Baulderdash. Deep down those "good" people know it's wrong. Deep, deep in their souls. They just don't want to admit it. Anyone or any company that sells, SELLS apparel - t-shirts and the like - with "I GOT AN ABORTION" emblazoned on them is not only sick, and twisted but financially brillant - after all, they've assaulted not just one human being, but potentially at least three (mother, father, unborn child and possibly more in the cases of twins), and then rather than just give away a souvenir of their time together at the clinic, they SELL them a t-shirt proudly announcing their fabulous "lifestyle choice". Brilliant! Planned Parenthood's founder was evil, their premise is evil, their works are evil, the people who work there, while possibly redeemable, condone and continue the evil - in the end we shall call the duck a duck - PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS EVIL.
Apotheoun Posted January 10, 2005 Posted January 10, 2005 [quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Jan 9 2005, 11:35 PM'] PLANNED PARENTHOOD IS EVIL. [/quote] I agree.
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