cmotherofpirl Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 And what would be the occasion to have to have one done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Mar 31 2005, 02:08 AM'] A man can be penitent, but if he has closed himself up to the possibility of life, I don't think he should be able to just say he's sorry and go on with sex and everything is fine. Especially if it is reversable - for example I'm pretty sure that if you put on a condom, confessed, and then never took it off (sorry for this disgusting analogy)... it would still be sinful. So my opinion that is unless he gets it reversed he should obstain from sex. [/quote] But the Church does not say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 [quote name='Fixxxer' date='Mar 31 2005, 02:37 AM'] what if you have to have one done? [/quote] I don't think this is EVER necessary... maybe if some poor guys sperm turned into acid? But that's not likely to happen.... ever. please God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 [quote name='God Conquers' date='Mar 31 2005, 09:29 AM'] maybe if some poor guys sperm turned into acid? [/quote] :crackup: owie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 I believe if a man has his sperm turn to acid, the Church would have no problem with him getting a vasectomy. Of course the Church may also suggest an exorcism as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ironmonk Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 [quote name='Philippe' date='Mar 29 2005, 10:44 PM'] If a man were to get a vasectomy and he is married, would that mean that everytime he has sex he is commiting a mortal sin after the operation or is only the operation mortaly sinful? [/quote] It is a mortal sin. A good priest will give a repentance of getting it reversed. Please see: Bible Verses: [url="http://www.scripturecatholic.com/contraception.html"]http://www.scripturecatholic.com/contraception.html[/url] HUMANAE VITAE (On The Regulation Of Birth) (Very good and logical read) [url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/P6HUMANA.HTM"]http://www.ewtn.com/library/ENCYC/P6HUMANA.HTM[/url] Catechism: [url="http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sect2chpt2art6.htm#2370"]http://www.usccb.org/catechism/text/pt3sec...t2art6.htm#2370[/url] Priests for Life: [url="http://www.priestsforlife.org/articles/contraceptionmaster.htm"]http://www.priestsforlife.org/articles/con...ptionmaster.htm[/url] Many Documents: [url="http://www.catholic-pages.com/dir/contraception.asp"]http://www.catholic-pages.com/dir/contraception.asp[/url] Remember, we are to rely on God, not man made things. Natural Family Planning is totally ok. God will provide for us, and give us what we need. Sometimes, we need spiritual things more than we need physical things. Sometimes these spiritual things come with physical hardships. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 (edited) [quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Mar 30 2005, 04:56 AM'] My understanding is that the sin is having the surgery, and once he confesses it to a priest, it's forgiven, end of story. Of course, the priest might tell him he needs to have the surgery reversed, and if not, his conscience might tell him that. But I'd be willing to guess that many insurance companies that cover the procedure don't cover it's reversal. Just a guess. Thank God He's Merciful! [/quote] But... if someone plans on just going to confession afterward, then the confession doesn't count. The person would truely need to be sorry that they did it. Confession is not a get out of jail free card to use as we wish... we must truly be sorry for our sins or do not take communion until we do and have a real confession. [b]Sirach 5:5 [/b] Of forgiveness be not overconfident, adding sin upon sin. [b]6 [/b]Say not: "Great is his mercy; my many sins he will forgive." [b]7 [/b]For mercy and anger alike are with him; upon the wicked alights his wrath. [b]8 [/b]Delay not your conversion to the LORD, put it not off from day to day; [b]9 [/b]For suddenly his wrath flames forth; at the time of vengeance, you will be destroyed. God Bless, ironmonk Edited March 31, 2005 by ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 I think he was speaking to the fact that someone might repent after getting a vasectomy... But if not, you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briguy Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 Can I assume that none of you are married? Sex within marriage has more then one purpose. There is a sexual drive that God creates in each of us (almost all people anyway). God made the sexual experience pleasing. He did so by design. He would then not have made it only to reproduce. Someone above said it unites and indeed it does and that is why fornication is so wrong. Anyway, read the Bible verses below. We can plainly see that a husband and wife having a healthy intimate relationship drives away the chance for adultery as the God given drive is fulfilled in the marriage. That is the clear meaning of the verses from 1 Cor. 7 below (NASB). 1Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is (A)good for a man not to touch a woman. 2But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband. 3The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5(B)Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that ©Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. We need only in these matters to consult the Bible for our clear answers. In Christ, Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnsspivey Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 [quote name='ironmonk' date='Mar 31 2005, 10:31 AM'] It is a mortal sin. A good priest will give a repentance of getting it reversed. [/quote] I thought you left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 [quote name='Melchisedec' date='Mar 30 2005, 11:38 AM'] Say goodbye to sex. Or be damned forever. [/quote] Yeah, that's just what Theology of the Body teaches... So much for stereotypes, someone's cracked the code! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briguy Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Hi again, just wanted to point out that it is funny that Catholic teaching and conserative fundamentalism actually agree on this topic of Vasectomy. I however am not a "fundy" and so have no problem with a person getting a V. Of course having had one after my third child, I better say it is OK. My family at three children was big enough. I believe in my heart, from what I see in the world that pregnancy is like the weather. God created the processes at work. He lets those processes do what they do. Sometimes he intervenes directly, by His will and His wisdom. For the most part he lets nature be nature. That may be an odd way for some of you to think about that but think in those terms anyway, just so you can see my point. We see a world where an unmarried woman can get pregnant by three different men in say 5 years and never marry any of them. We also see that there are couples that would gladly give their left arms for a baby but cannot get pregnant. Usually there are physical problems with one of the partners in those cases. God is aware of every child from the moment of conception, well obviously he always knows everything from the first time he conceived the earth. You know what I mean. I believe God leaves family planning up to us. We are not robots in regards to anything else, he would not make us rebots in planning our family size. In Christian Love, Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 [quote]I believe in my heart, from what I see in the world that pregnancy is like the weather. God created the processes at work. He lets those processes do what they do. Sometimes he intervenes directly, by His will and His wisdom. For the most part he lets nature be nature.[/quote] Respectfully, I think that if this is what you believe your vasectomy contradicts this. God created the processes, sometimes he intervenes and allows conception. For the most part God allows nature be nature. However, it is you who have intervened. You have stopped forever that process which God began. He didn't stop it. You did. It wasn't His wisdom you were allowing to work in your marriage, but your own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briguy Posted April 1, 2005 Share Posted April 1, 2005 Hi G.C. I just need to clarify something. I did not say that sometimes God intervenes and allows conception. Conception as a rule is natural without direct absolute intervention. Sometimes even when conception physically would seem almost impossible God could and has intervened and made it happen. Abraham and Sarah would be an example. A modern example is the couple that doctors say can't get pregnant but do anyway. Hope that clears up what I intened to say. In Christ, Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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