Monoxide Posted April 7, 2005 Posted April 7, 2005 A final solution? No, that is way to extreme. I am not sure what you Americans believe... You are all for the Church, but whenever the churchs authority is questioned the majority of you seem to wither. You form organizations that promote womans [i]rights in the church[/i]. I am all for womans equality, but going as far as pushing your left-wing propaganda into the church? Honestly. When you were attacked for homosexuality in the clergy I did not see any resistance? Where was the counter-smear campaign? The media created the homosexual clergy. There are homosexuals in every walk of life, but the media [i]focused [/i]on the priesthood, now look? It is bad to be left alone with a priest until your over 20, and even then it is risky. Fight the evil, do not succomb to it, I do not remember Jesus ever letting himself be overcome with lazyness and allowing the devil to walk all over him? I would bet you a dollar that evil was doing everything in its power to stop the crucifiction once it realized that it was being set up. Many evils have walked the earth, but Americans and their media seem caught up on [i]one [/i]and only [i]one[/i]. Nazi Germany.. Do you know what this has done? On my last journey through deutschland guess what I saw? Homosexuality was rampant, there was a S&M club in every small town and one for every two or three blocks, raves and drug parties, legal prostitutes male and female, and worst of all... no children. What have you done? You have neutered the entire Germanic people? They are nothing anymore, they are declining in population at the greatist rate in all of Europe and in 100 years they will have 1/3rd of the people they have now. Was it worth it? Killing with perversions and indoctrination? How would you feel, every waking moment from when your 4 years old till you die, hearing about how your parents and their parents were responsible for the deaths of 12 million Jews? We do not hear about the other 22 million persons of other races or orientations, why? wow i am ranting again. I love Israel and the Jews, but I do not love the way society loves them. Here is a quote I read in NYT many moons ago... "When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times. The guy was the head of the defence forces until he retired, Arial Sharon has said much worse. You Americans give more in aid per capita to the people of Israel than you do to your own citizens? And then you give them military discounts and freebies. There is nothing wrong with this, except that it reeks of corruption... There are many other horrible atrocites other than the holocost, but we do not focus on them? The 8+ million Ukrainians starved to death in the man made famine? The 20+ million that froze and starved to death in the Gulags? The 50+ million that the chinese communists forced labored to death? The genocides in the Congo, Cambodia, Crusades! etc.etc.etc.etc.etc Why do we weigh the lives of other human beings so lightly? As for them being a cult. They chose not to believe that Jesus was the messiah, ----meaning that they BROKE OFF FROM THE CHURCH!!!!! Amazing. If you say that they did not break off from the church, your saying that the Early Christians were the first protestants, which is plain silly. There is only one religion, Us, then there is Them, they can achieve salvation, but they do not have the benefits of the sacrements, so it would probably be the camel in the needle syndrome all over again. Pray for the heathen. Why if the majority of Americans want to ban abortion and the homosexualists, are they not banned? Someone is pulling the strings, and it is obviously not Opus Dei.
Jaime Posted April 7, 2005 Posted April 7, 2005 [quote] You Americans give more in aid per capita to the people of Israel than you do to your own citizens? [/quote] Population of Micronesia 770,000 US Aid through 2005 $1.3 Billion Why? BECAUSE MICRONESIANS RUN THE US GOVERNMENT!!! [quote]You have neutered the entire Germanic people? They are nothing anymore, they are declining in population at the greatist rate in all of Europe and in 100 years they will have 1/3rd of the people they have now. Was it worth it? [/quote] Now Monoxide, if you want to start a thread on "Did we go to far taking out Hitler?" that might gain the ire of more than a few folks. I know you want us to be "open to new ideas"... Before you go and do that, consider more current and frightening statistics that could be to blame for your fatherland's current failings. Population of Germany 82,000,000 No of David Hasselhoff CDs sold in Germany 8,000,000 That means that one in ten Germans listens to David Hasselhoff! And if you follow the timeline you may find that the rise in S & M clubs did not happen until Hasselhoff became a megastar! Want more proof? Micronesia has no S&M clubs. They also have never heard of David Hasselhoff. Coincidence? hot stuff PS love the Jews!! God bless the Jews
Monoxide Posted April 7, 2005 Posted April 7, 2005 So you are saying that the germans have spontaniously become a Godless society without any influence what so ever? Micronesia needs the aid, Israel doesnt.
Jaime Posted April 7, 2005 Posted April 7, 2005 No I'm saying that blaming our removal of Hitler for the downfall of German society makes about as much sense as my suggestion that you could blame it on their love for David Hasselhoff. (Incidentally you can use my Hasselhoff statistics on your other thread about the influence of music.) Germans feel bad about the Holocaust? German kids have to learn that part of their heritage is the mass murdering of millions of Jews? Gosh that's too bad. US students get to learn that their culture almost wiped out the Native American population. That and the fact that up until about 150 years ago, we enslaved Africans. Pretty tough stuff to learn wouldn't you say? I doubt that any of them grew up to say "My forefathers slaughtered the Native American Nation! The only way I can deal with it is by going to an S&M club!!" By the way, care to share with us how much US aid Israel recieves annually? Any chance their aid is based upon the fact that they are the only democracy in the region? And what did Micronesia do for us besides invent Microfibre pants? Is that enough to merit 1.3 billion in aid?
God Conquers Posted April 7, 2005 Posted April 7, 2005 I think the reason why the US doesn't attack nations with Nuclear weapons has more to do with NUCLEAR WEAPONS than jewish people in government. How could the Jews (who I can honestly say I love to pieces) break off from a Church to which they never belonged? beaver dam those Hindu Schismatics! Something tells me more US aid goes to IRAQ than to Israel. Man this thread works my abs.... So does my love for my Jewish brothers and sisters. (But only when I do crunches)
james Posted April 7, 2005 Author Posted April 7, 2005 (edited) Here are the names of the Jewish neocons who led us to war in Iraq: Norman Podhoretz Irving Kristol Midge Decter Paul Wolfowitz Douglas Feith I. Lewis Libby Elliot Abrams Dov Zakheim Robert B. Zoellick Richard Perle Eliot Cohen William Kristol Robert Kagan David Wurmser Joshua Muravchik Meyrav Wurmser Irwin Stelzer Michael Ledeen Daniel Pipes Lawrence Kaplan Charles Krauthammer David Brooks John Podhoretz Neal Kozodoy Jonah Goldberg And once again, I remind you, this quote: "The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history." was taken from Israeli newspaper, Haaretz. Why are you people arguing against a point which the Jewish press conceeds? Edited April 7, 2005 by james
rachael Posted April 7, 2005 Posted April 7, 2005 [quote name='Monoxide' date='Apr 5 2005, 11:59 PM']Like the crusades? The crusades were nothing like a jihad, a Jihad is muslim doctrine, the crusades were a bunch of greedy peasents getting rallied up by some corrupt officials and going to slay the 'heathen' GUESS WHAT THE WESTERN CHRISTIANS SACKED THE EASTERN CATHOLICS IN CONSTANTINOPLE. That was one of the main causes of the split I believe, they raped and pilliaged. [/quote] a jihad is like a crusade, but of a different religion. [u][b]jihad[/b][/u]- A Muslim holy war. [u][b]crusade[/b][/u]- A holy war undertaken with papal sanction. I wasn't talking about [u]the[/u] Crusades, but rather, [u]a[/u] crusade and what it means compared to the meaning of a jihad.
Kilroy the Ninja Posted April 7, 2005 Posted April 7, 2005 [quote name='rachael' date='Apr 7 2005, 01:55 PM'] a jihad is like a crusade, but of a different religion. [u][b]jihad[/b][/u]- A Muslim holy war. [/quote] actually the term jihad has two meanings to muslims. It can refer to the internal struggle to live according to Islam. And it can refer to a specific external fight for Islam. The media has [mostly] given it the connotation of "Holy War" to the term but really the word "struggle" is more appripo.
Kilroy the Ninja Posted April 7, 2005 Posted April 7, 2005 And technically, the first crusade was successful in liberating the Holy Lands from muslim control. The consecutive crusades were ineffective in anything more than tainting the middle east's attitudes toward Western Europeans and their decendants for the next several hundred years. The sack of Constantinople was unfortunate, and if anyone was paying attention, all of those particular crusaders were excommunicated - several times.
Cam42 Posted April 7, 2005 Posted April 7, 2005 [quote name='james' date='Apr 7 2005, 01:44 PM'] Here are the names of the Jewish neocons who led us to war in Iraq: Norman Podhoretz Irving Kristol Midge Decter Paul Wolfowitz Douglas Feith I. Lewis Libby Elliot Abrams Dov Zakheim Robert B. Zoellick Richard Perle Eliot Cohen William Kristol Robert Kagan David Wurmser Joshua Muravchik Meyrav Wurmser Irwin Stelzer Michael Ledeen Daniel Pipes Lawrence Kaplan Charles Krauthammer David Brooks John Podhoretz Neal Kozodoy Jonah Goldberg And once again, I remind you, this quote: "The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history." was taken from Israeli newspaper, Haaretz. Why are you people arguing against a point which the Jewish press conceeds? [/quote] Nope, no rant on Jews here!!!!!!! I am a prophet.
Cam42 Posted April 7, 2005 Posted April 7, 2005 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Apr 6 2005, 02:43 AM'] Can I shake your hand? I think I like you. [/quote] A hug would be better.
james Posted April 7, 2005 Author Posted April 7, 2005 [quote name='Cam42' date='Apr 7 2005, 04:47 PM'] Nope, no rant on Jews here!!!!!!! I am a prophet. [/quote] You're a philosemite. You've recently been upgraded to "church scholar" as well, I see. It must have been your lack of understanding of the properly formed conscience which gained you the new title. Wear it with pride, "Church Scholar."
Cam42 Posted April 7, 2005 Posted April 7, 2005 ad hominems don't look good on you. Incidentally, if you are calling me a [i]philosemite[/i], then I consider it a compliment. Cam
Jaime Posted April 7, 2005 Posted April 7, 2005 (edited) [quote]You're a philosemite[/quote] Honestly I tried looking that up in the dictionary to no avail. If it means "quite knowledgeable and very huggable than..well that sums it up!! That's Camster! Or is it from that Men at Work song "Land Down Under"? [i]I said, "Do you speak-a my language?" He just smiled and gave me a pholosemite sandwich [/i] At any rate, C'mon James just say it once... you'll feel better loooooooove the Jewwwwws! Edited April 7, 2005 by jaime
MichaelFilo Posted April 7, 2005 Posted April 7, 2005 Well, we as Americans do not speak of our WWII failings towards the other ethnicities. Very little is ever said about how we took Japense-born and American-born Japenese men and women into concentration camps, huddled them in poor living conditions, worked them like dogs, and treated them like dogs. But that is ok, Hitler killed Jews, no one cares about other holocausts. Stalin and his collectivization that caused famine, the murder of the Kulaks, and the purges could account for at least 2x as much in the "holocaust" count. We do use the Nazi's as a reference point. Israel does not NEED that money. Until the 20th century, it wasn't even a country (for a very long time). FEeding it money to kill Palastinians (at least that isn't the intent, but what actually happens with said money) is sad. A war takes two sides. God bless, Mikey
rachael Posted April 7, 2005 Posted April 7, 2005 [quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Apr 7 2005, 03:26 PM'] actually the term jihad has two meanings to muslims. It can refer to the internal struggle to live according to Islam. And it can refer to a specific external fight for Islam. The media has [mostly] given it the connotation of "Holy War" to the term but really the word "struggle" is more appripo. [/quote] [i]anyways[/i], i was simply stating that jihad is not a requirement.
james Posted April 7, 2005 Author Posted April 7, 2005 (edited) [quote name='hot stuff' date='Apr 7 2005, 05:33 PM'] C'mon James just say it once... you'll feel better loooooooove the Jewwwwws! [/quote] I'm, interested hot stuff, what are your feelings about the Jew who did this to the statue of our Blessed Mother above the Church of the Nativity of our Lord in Bethlehem? [img]http://users.rcn.com/salski/No26Folder/Our_Lady.jpg[/img] If anyone is interested in finding out more about this desecration of the Blessed Mother by the Israeli military there's another thread that deals with that topic here: [url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=31947"]http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=31947[/url] Edited April 7, 2005 by james
rachael Posted April 7, 2005 Posted April 7, 2005 so you're persecuting every Jew because of a few bad apples? um...yea... ...because [i]all[/i] Catholics are perfect.
Thy Geekdom Come Posted April 7, 2005 Posted April 7, 2005 [quote name='james' date='Apr 7 2005, 07:26 PM'] I'm, interested hot stuff, what are your feelings about the Jew who did this to the statue of our Blessed Mother above the Church of the Nativity of our Lord in Bethlehem? [img]http://users.rcn.com/salski/No26Folder/Our_Lady.jpg[/img] [/quote] I'm a 100% orthodox devout Catholic. I'm also Jewish. Cut it out.
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