james Posted April 7, 2005 Author Share Posted April 7, 2005 (edited) Here are the names of the Jewish neocons who led us to war in Iraq: Norman Podhoretz Irving Kristol Midge Decter Paul Wolfowitz Douglas Feith I. Lewis Libby Elliot Abrams Dov Zakheim Robert B. Zoellick Richard Perle Eliot Cohen William Kristol Robert Kagan David Wurmser Joshua Muravchik Meyrav Wurmser Irwin Stelzer Michael Ledeen Daniel Pipes Lawrence Kaplan Charles Krauthammer David Brooks John Podhoretz Neal Kozodoy Jonah Goldberg And once again, I remind you, this quote: "The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history." was taken from Israeli newspaper, Haaretz. Why are you people arguing against a point which the Jewish press conceeds? Edited April 7, 2005 by james Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachael Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 [quote name='Monoxide' date='Apr 5 2005, 11:59 PM']Like the crusades? The crusades were nothing like a jihad, a Jihad is muslim doctrine, the crusades were a bunch of greedy peasents getting rallied up by some corrupt officials and going to slay the 'heathen' GUESS WHAT THE WESTERN CHRISTIANS SACKED THE EASTERN CATHOLICS IN CONSTANTINOPLE. That was one of the main causes of the split I believe, they raped and pilliaged. [/quote] a jihad is like a crusade, but of a different religion. [u][b]jihad[/b][/u]- A Muslim holy war. [u][b]crusade[/b][/u]- A holy war undertaken with papal sanction. I wasn't talking about [u]the[/u] Crusades, but rather, [u]a[/u] crusade and what it means compared to the meaning of a jihad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 [quote name='rachael' date='Apr 7 2005, 01:55 PM'] a jihad is like a crusade, but of a different religion. [u][b]jihad[/b][/u]- A Muslim holy war. [/quote] actually the term jihad has two meanings to muslims. It can refer to the internal struggle to live according to Islam. And it can refer to a specific external fight for Islam. The media has [mostly] given it the connotation of "Holy War" to the term but really the word "struggle" is more appripo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 And technically, the first crusade was successful in liberating the Holy Lands from muslim control. The consecutive crusades were ineffective in anything more than tainting the middle east's attitudes toward Western Europeans and their decendants for the next several hundred years. The sack of Constantinople was unfortunate, and if anyone was paying attention, all of those particular crusaders were excommunicated - several times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cam42 Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 [quote name='james' date='Apr 7 2005, 01:44 PM'] Here are the names of the Jewish neocons who led us to war in Iraq: Norman Podhoretz Irving Kristol Midge Decter Paul Wolfowitz Douglas Feith I. Lewis Libby Elliot Abrams Dov Zakheim Robert B. Zoellick Richard Perle Eliot Cohen William Kristol Robert Kagan David Wurmser Joshua Muravchik Meyrav Wurmser Irwin Stelzer Michael Ledeen Daniel Pipes Lawrence Kaplan Charles Krauthammer David Brooks John Podhoretz Neal Kozodoy Jonah Goldberg And once again, I remind you, this quote: "The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history." was taken from Israeli newspaper, Haaretz. Why are you people arguing against a point which the Jewish press conceeds? [/quote] Nope, no rant on Jews here!!!!!!! I am a prophet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Apr 6 2005, 02:43 AM'] Can I shake your hand? I think I like you. [/quote] A hug would be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Posted April 7, 2005 Author Share Posted April 7, 2005 [quote name='Cam42' date='Apr 7 2005, 04:47 PM'] Nope, no rant on Jews here!!!!!!! I am a prophet. [/quote] You're a philosemite. You've recently been upgraded to "church scholar" as well, I see. It must have been your lack of understanding of the properly formed conscience which gained you the new title. Wear it with pride, "Church Scholar." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 ad hominems don't look good on you. Incidentally, if you are calling me a [i]philosemite[/i], then I consider it a compliment. Cam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 (edited) [quote]You're a philosemite[/quote] Honestly I tried looking that up in the dictionary to no avail. If it means "quite knowledgeable and very huggable than..well that sums it up!! That's Camster! Or is it from that Men at Work song "Land Down Under"? [i]I said, "Do you speak-a my language?" He just smiled and gave me a pholosemite sandwich [/i] At any rate, C'mon James just say it once... you'll feel better loooooooove the Jewwwwws! Edited April 7, 2005 by jaime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 Well, we as Americans do not speak of our WWII failings towards the other ethnicities. Very little is ever said about how we took Japense-born and American-born Japenese men and women into concentration camps, huddled them in poor living conditions, worked them like dogs, and treated them like dogs. But that is ok, Hitler killed Jews, no one cares about other holocausts. Stalin and his collectivization that caused famine, the murder of the Kulaks, and the purges could account for at least 2x as much in the "holocaust" count. We do use the Nazi's as a reference point. Israel does not NEED that money. Until the 20th century, it wasn't even a country (for a very long time). FEeding it money to kill Palastinians (at least that isn't the intent, but what actually happens with said money) is sad. A war takes two sides. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachael Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 [quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Apr 7 2005, 03:26 PM'] actually the term jihad has two meanings to muslims. It can refer to the internal struggle to live according to Islam. And it can refer to a specific external fight for Islam. The media has [mostly] given it the connotation of "Holy War" to the term but really the word "struggle" is more appripo. [/quote] [i]anyways[/i], i was simply stating that jihad is not a requirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james Posted April 7, 2005 Author Share Posted April 7, 2005 (edited) [quote name='hot stuff' date='Apr 7 2005, 05:33 PM'] C'mon James just say it once... you'll feel better loooooooove the Jewwwwws! [/quote] I'm, interested hot stuff, what are your feelings about the Jew who did this to the statue of our Blessed Mother above the Church of the Nativity of our Lord in Bethlehem? [img]http://users.rcn.com/salski/No26Folder/Our_Lady.jpg[/img] If anyone is interested in finding out more about this desecration of the Blessed Mother by the Israeli military there's another thread that deals with that topic here: [url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=31947"]http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=31947[/url] Edited April 7, 2005 by james Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachael Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 so you're persecuting every Jew because of a few bad apples? um...yea... ...because [i]all[/i] Catholics are perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted April 7, 2005 Share Posted April 7, 2005 [quote name='james' date='Apr 7 2005, 07:26 PM'] I'm, interested hot stuff, what are your feelings about the Jew who did this to the statue of our Blessed Mother above the Church of the Nativity of our Lord in Bethlehem? [img]http://users.rcn.com/salski/No26Folder/Our_Lady.jpg[/img] [/quote] I'm a 100% orthodox devout Catholic. I'm also Jewish. Cut it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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