Morality in taste of music..

[Cathurian]

Please continue the input, folks. I'm struggling with this myself at the moment.

And, ironically enough, most notably with Judas Priest. I might tell you about that one later.

[God Conquers]

Well, have you ever found your head bobbing to music about sex drugs, violence?

If so... you're definately being influenced.

Although there are different elements as well, think about dance clubs, dens of sex and alcohol. They play music for a reason.

[Melchisedec]

[quote name='God Conquers' date='Apr 7 2005, 02:27 PM'] Well, have you ever found your head bobbing to music about sex drugs, violence?

If so... you're definately being influenced.

Although there are different elements as well, think about dance clubs, dens of sex and alcohol. They play music for a reason. [/quote]
I guess my question to that is do you watch movies with volence at all? Or do you prefer only within the G , PG realm? Because I dont see any difference to watching that and listening to music.

[MichaelFilo]

Music very much has an effect on you. A very simple example, if you listen to a song with fast beats and a strong bass, you'll probably be more energetic (for a little while after, but mostly when you listen to it). Listening to love songs (the music not the lyrics) will cause you to become lovey-dovey, [i]et cetera[/i].

That is simply the music, and while never truely bad, it is when it becomes coupled with words that it gains either a morally good or a morally bad title. You see, the same music can be played and with different words (compare "baby got back" to "baby got book"), and can have a genuinly different effect on you. Upon listening to a song a few times, you sometimes will begin to only [b]listen[/b] to the music. This effect kicks in very much so when listening to "favorites" and while doing other things during the song (even thinking). This does not mean you stop [b]hearing[/b] the words. This is when the words begin to slip past your "fiddler" and begin to entrance you or at least fill you with the message being put out. So what effectivly happens is that while you think the message has no effect on you OR you aren't listening to just the music (not the lyrics) you are safe from it, is when you are most at risk. If you listen to enough punk rock with alot of liberal agenda behind it (or whatever music with whatever agenda) you will find that you ar emore willing to accept that agenda. The music (and lyrics) won't make you change, they'll just weaken your walls.

God bless,
Mikey

[God Conquers]

[quote name='Melchisedec' date='Apr 7 2005, 03:08 PM'] I guess my question to that is do you watch movies with volence at all? Or do you prefer only within the G , PG realm? Because I dont see any difference to watching that and listening to music. [/quote]
Seeing something and hearing something in music are very different sensual experiences.

See my post above.

[Melchisedec]

[quote name='God Conquers' date='Apr 7 2005, 03:43 PM'] Seeing something and hearing something in music are very different sensual experiences.

See my post above. [/quote]
So your telling me images and sound combined dont have an influence? Movies employ not only sound, words, but also visuals. Its all suggestion, and its all influential. I dont see any difference in either really. A movie can invoke emotions as strong as a song could. I agree that music, movies(tv) can influence a person or atleast plant a seed of thought inside. I think most people need to be open to this suggestion, before it can even plant a seed so to speak.

[MichaelFilo]

Movies require your full attention and so can be filtered more easily. However, due to the uncontralable speed of a movie (like at a theatre) you cannot fiddler all. Songs, however, tend to be more subliminal in their seed planting.

To go back to the main point, if they lyrics are poor, the music must go. Certain music (not referring to lyrics) are also very morally bad, because of the certain sound, and allow an evil (satanic in this case) message to be handed out easily. The music (not lyrics) would make little sense with a Christian music and was even banned by a certain pope (don't remember which Holy Father it was) from bein gplayed in Church.


God bless,
Mikey

[Cathurian]

What kind of music are you talking about?

[Monoxide]

Jungle music?

Some people have such poor taste, I am sorry I have to say this but it is so true. Talking about rapeing and stealin and sexin' and blingin' is all hideous.

[Melchisedec]

[quote name='Monoxide' date='Apr 7 2005, 10:37 PM'] Jungle music? [/quote]
Jungle music? Whats that exactly.

[aloha918]

[quote name='Monoxide' date='Apr 5 2005, 10:23 AM'] Be honest to yourself? sounds like something out of the satanic bible... "Be true to thyself, be the whole of the law" ? [/quote]
yep i am quoting from the satanic bible.........

[MichaelFilo]

[quote name='Cathurian' date='Apr 7 2005, 10:22 PM'] What kind of music are you talking about? [/quote]
All music would apply. It is essentially the message in the lyrics that marks the music as moral or immoral.

God bless,
Mikey

Edited April 8, 2005 by MichaelFilo

[God Conquers]

I don't think you could say instrumental music was good/evil or moral.immoral, no matter what instruments are used. It would only be when words and messages are applied to music that values begin to form.

[Nicole8223]

This idea reminds me of how terrible it is to be lukewarm. We must be hot or cold, but lukewarm is the worst. Listening to music that does not promote virtue or things of good nature, while trying to attain the kigdom of heaven, is compeltely contradictory for one, and it causes the listener to become lukewarm.


Scripture says that we should let all we do give glory to God.

I for one DO stay away from most movies. I don't want to play games with anything that may affect my thinking.

What we input into our minds will come out in some way. That's just the way it is.

[Cathurian]

No, Michael -- I meant what kind of music is evil because of its sound?

[MichaelFilo]

It is a certain note pattern that was condmened to not be allowed to be used in the Church when pianos were first allowed. Now if only I could remember...

If I come across it I'll give you the exacts. However, other form sof music clearly seem evil, for instance Cradle of Filth's background music (aside from their satanic lyrics) sounds much like demons and such being summouned.... it sounds as if Satan himself comes forth when the guiatrs are played. Of course, all of it is synthesized, no doubt, but still there are certain peices of music that cannot be reconciled with good lyrics.

God bless,
Mikey

[Cathurian]

I just read CoF's lyrics and stayed away.

Is there a certain style which is objectively wrong? Has this been denounced by the Church, or is it just your opinion? (Either way I'll take it into consideration, I'd just like to know where this came from.)

I'm really curious here, as I have very broad taste in music, and to think one of my favorite styles might be evil is quite disturbing. Please come up with a style, examples, and so on -- I'd be very grateful.

If you don't want to risk endangering anyone by throwing names out you can PM me about it.

[MichaelFilo]

If you had asked me 9 months ago, I'd of said alot of things are wrong or in error. However, the Catholic Church has as of yet to denounce any form of music as evil, or contrary to the Faith. There is really no such thing as evil music, simply evil lyrics as I said. There is music that would only allow evil lyrics to make some sort of "flow" between the lyrics and music. However, it is only a very specific, and you would probably have no trouble avoiding it, as the lyrics would obviously set off a few flags.

As for what my opinion is? I've listened to everything that I've been given. As far as music and styles in and of themselves, all can be used for good and so none are bad. Even that heavy screamo metal, and that real hardcore rap. All is good if the lyrics are.

God bless,
Mikey

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Melchisedec' date='Apr 5 2005, 11:03 AM'] Judas Priest, great band. My favorite would have to be 'painkiller', awesome song. Whoever says that you will unconsiously begin to follow what your music tells you is either weakminded or just paranoid. I can listen to 50 cents, but that doesnt mean that one day I will start selling crack or a rob someone at gun point. Yes, there are people are as we might call them impressionable. Typically teenagers, but usually these messages they decide to be influenced by are never unconcious and is indeed a very conscious decision they make to emulate something. For various reasons, from thinking its cool to just wanting to fit in with a crowd. If you are one of these people, than I think the worst that can happen by listening to judas priest is that you might end up wearing black with studs and maybe you might grow your hair out. But I dont think it will go further than that. If you can appreciate the music , than I wouldn't worry. Just kick back, crank up the priest and rock on... [/quote]
Music bypasses the higher functioning parts of your brain and directly affects your central nervious system and the so-called primitive brain. It has a vast unseen influence on you. Played at critical times during child development, it can even effect how the brain is organized and how well you learn.

[Donna]

[b]Put yourself in our hands
So our voices can be heard
And together
We will take on all the world[/b]

It doesn't matter that the above is a Judas Priest lyric, it could
be from anyone.

It's up to each person, if they want to put themselves in whatever hands.

Contrary to the flip-off opinion of Mel, etc; it's only reality that
whatever we put into our senses, or let be put in there, will
have some influence.