Morality in taste of music..

[Catalyst]

Our eyes and ears are our gateways to our souls. Guaranteed you may say you block out the lyric but you can still hum the tume or even voice out the chorus. Its the spirit behind the music you have to watch out for. Words are so important, they have much power. All of existance was created with them.
The bible in proverbs 4:23, says ABOVE ALL ELSE guard your heart with all viligilance for from it flows the springs of life."

[Catalyst]

why would you want hear music about killing and drugs and sex and all that when you could listen to music about God? No music compares to worship music. That was music was meant for in the first place. Worship. You may say were weak minded, no, were being obediant to Our Father whom we love so much. He tells things with our best interets in mind. Not to take away "fun". Its not weak, its wise.

[davefromcm]

Why don't people give some similar styled Catholic or Evangelical bands a try?

I'd be interested to hear what people think

Dave

[aloha918]

[quote name='Catalyst' date='Apr 9 2005, 09:53 AM'] why would you want hear music about killing and drugs and sex and all that when you could listen to music about God? No music compares to worship music. That was music was meant for in the first place. Worship. You may say were weak minded, no, were being obediant to Our Father whom we love so much. He tells things with our best interets in mind. Not to take away "fun". Its not weak, its wise. [/quote]
i cant listen to worship music all of the time.......and i pretty much dislike all christian rock besides swithfoot........

[Donna]

(Off topic), but just so ppl know it exists (evil instrumental music):

Miles Davis ([i]Jack Johnson [/i]album)

Listen to [i][b]that[/b] [/i]driving on a rural road alone at night - NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You'll be singing "Old MacDonald Had a Farm" and other happy stuff just to get the evil off your car! The mind will try to think of or sing, something simple with simple Western progressions.

Or Lou Reed's ([i]Heroin,[/i] at the end where it's "only" instrumental. That'll make ppl jump off a cliff, it's terrible.

There are many examples.

One of the ickiest for it's seductiveness initially was in the "Concert For George" (Harrison), when Ravi Shankar and his hindu ensemble did this chant. At first it sounded bright, but soon it turned wicked... like the eternal circle of dancers, who cannot stop dancing and cannot break out of the circle, but are forever doomed to dance.

[Donna]

I agree. I don't like a lot of worship music, but then again I can't stand a lot of secular songs either. Usually because the lyrics are unreal or stupid, or it's too sentimental or predictable.

We should write our own stuff, no doubt we'd come up w/ equally sugary stuff.

Sigh.

It's hard to be cool, or beautiful.

But: why not just listen to Gregorian Chant in the backround, for 10 minutes a week?

See where that leads one.

Edited April 10, 2005 by Donna

[Donna]

[i]Sorry ta be berratin'
Should a future saint
Be imitatin'
Judas Priest
Verbatim:[/i]

[b]Hell bent
Hell bent
For Leather![/b]

DAiRW di di DAiRW di di DAiRW
di di DAiRW di di DAiRW

[b]Hell bent
Hell bent
For Leather![/b]

[Catalyst]

what don't you like about worship music??
its expressing your love for God? This is a relationship, not actions done out of duty. Jesus said love God with your WHOLE heart, WHOLE MIND, and your WHOLE body. Worship, prayer and reading the scripture are three vital points that cannot be over looked. This is how we get close to God. Writings love song and getting excited over secular "love" cuz it reminds you of someone you love but pure songs expressing love for God? You don't like worship??? theres tons of fantastic worship music.

Secular jams aren't of God, if its not of God its of someoneelse period. No matter how many buts you lay down. Two kinds of wisdom, check James. You can't serve two masters.

[davefromcm]

Check out
[url="http://kingcong.uwaterloo.ca/~dwang/revlar.mp3"]http://kingcong.uwaterloo.ca/~dwang/revlar.mp3[/url]

This is Critical Mass, my band. I'd be curious, for those who don't like worship music, whether you think this would change your mind...

Dave

[MichaelFilo]

[quote]Secular jams aren't of God,[/quote]

Secularism is a modernist error in this world. However, secular music can't be bad because it fails to mention God... or you'd have to consider techno (just beats) as being against God, and folk musics about the land to be against God... which isn't the case at all.

That song was really good, by the way. Not my style really, but my opinion holds true, Cathlic music is always good (mind you if effort was put in). I don't know of any Catholic worship music... like PRaise and Worship, which is why I keep that opinion.

God bless,
Mikey

Edited April 10, 2005 by MichaelFilo

[Monoxide]

Jungle music comes from the jungles. It has no real lyrics and is generally animal garbage. Just me though. I just realized that the song 'Burn in Hell' by Judas priest is not only by Tim Owens (not a flaming homosexual) but seems to be anti-suicide. It tells a story about a guy who off'd himself and how he is burning for it. Anyway. Kind of direct.

[MichaelFilo]

Post a few song lyrics for Judas Priest... any 3.. don't pick and chose.

God bless,
Mikey

[Monoxide]

I pretty much took these at random, I do not even know what some sound like.
Song one:
Blood Red Skies
(Tipton, Halford, Downing) 7.49 from "Ram it Down"

As the sun goes down, I move around
Keeping to the shadows
Life, hangs by a thread
And I've heard it said, that I'll not see tomorrow

If that's my destiny, it'll have to be
So I'll face the future
Running out of time
I'm on the line
But I'll go down fighting

Felt the hand of justice
Telling wrong from right
Threw me out upon the street in the middle of the night

Cybernetic heartbeat
Digital precise
Pneumatic fingers nearly had me in their vice

Not begging you
I'm telling you

You won't break me
You won't make me
You won't take me,
Under blood red skies

You won't break me
You won't take me
I'll fight you under
Blood red skies

Through a shattered city, watched by laser eyes
Overhead the night squad glides
The decaying paradise

Automatic sniper
With computer sights
Scans the bleak horizon for its victim of the night

Not begging you
I'm telling you

You won't break me
You won't make me
You won't take me,
Under blood red skies

You won't break me
You won't take me
I'll fight you under
Blood red skies

As the end is drawing near
Standing proud, I won't give in to fear
As I die a legend will be born
I will stand, I will fight
You'll never take me alive
I'll stand my ground
I won't go down

You won't break me
You won't make me
You won't take me,
Under blood red skies

You won't break me
You won't take me
I'll fight you under
Blood red skies

You'll never take me alive
I'm telling you
Hands of justice
I will stand, I will fight
As the sun goes down
I won't give in to fear



Song Two:
The Rage
(Tipton, Halford, Downing) 4.42 from "British Steel"

From a fireball we came crossed sea and mountain
We were drinking beauty with our eyes
We were given all to make our own
Let us be left alone

Laid the tasks and paid the price
Everything survives
Crushed and bolted all the grain
At every wind what a stake we're in
Is pain better than the grave

When we talk without amend
We see red and then
Deep inside our blood begins to boil
Like a tiger in the cage
We begin to shake with rage

song 3:

Victim Of Changes
(Tipton, Halford, Downing) 7.22 from "Unleashed in the East"

Whiskey woman don't you know that you are drivin' me insane
The liquor you give stems your will to live and gets right to my brain
Don't you know you're driving me insane
You're tryin' to find your way through life
You're tryin' to get some new direction
Another woman got her man
She won't find no new connection

Takes another drink or two, things look better when she's through

Takes another look around, you're not goin' anywhere
You've realised you're gettin' old and no one seems to care
You're tryin' to find your way again
You're tryin' to find some new...
Another woman's got her man
But she won't find a new...

Takes another drink or two, things look better when she's through

You 'bin foolin' with some hot guy
I want to know why is it why
Get up get out you know you really blew it
I've had enough, I've had enough, good God pluck me

Once she was wonderful
Once she was fine
Once she was beautiful
Once she was mine...she was mine

Now change has come over her body, she doesn't see me anymore
Now change has come over her body, she doesn't see me anymore

Changes, changes, changes, changes
Victim of changes




Interesting, I will have to listen to these songs, strikes me as a youth I enjoyed 'The Rage' we will have to see.

[photosynthesis]

I don't like songs that are obviously anti-Christian. At the same time, I respect artists' need for self-expression, even if they're not Christian.

but a lot of Christian music is, forgive me if I offend anyone, carp. it makes me want to puke sometimes it's so bad. I like a few Christian artists and songs, but generally I tend to dislike the syrupy, mawkish, overproduced, repetitive, predictable style that most Christian musicians tend to follow.

I'm well aware that many great composers were Christian... Like Bach, Mozart, etc...

I'm talking about Michael W. Smith and Point of Grace and all of those types.

Edited April 12, 2005 by photosynthesis

[davefromcm]

Has anyone checked out the link I posted?
[url="http://kingcong.uwaterloo.ca/~dwang/revlar.mp3"]http://kingcong.uwaterloo.ca/~dwang/revlar.mp3[/url]
It's pretty highly compressed but listenable

This is an example of some of the stuff that is coming out of the Catholic music industry... I'd really be interested to hear your thoughts.

Dave

[Monoxide]

Nice, i would buy it, got a link?

[MichaelFilo]

The music by Judas priest isn't immoral... it lacks God however. It's a sign of life without Him... which is weird. The music SEEMS fine... but someone more well versed with them maybe able to see something I missed.

God bless
Mikey

[Monoxide]

The Burn in Hell song struck me as straight out bible in a sense.

Judas Priest, "Burn in Hell" Written by the homo singer and the straight bassist.

Speak to me
Of those days I won't forget
Your worst dreams
Has just returned - to pay you back
I'm still laughing
There's not much else I can do
But one's thing's certain
I'm coming back for you

Have you got a gun?
Do you remember well
Who you used it on
It's time to burn in Hell

Say my name
I can hear you whisper
Not to blame?
You are going to blister
Scream in the night
I've been counting the days
It's so amusing
To see you again

Have you got a gun?
Do you remember well
Who d'ya use it on
You're going to burn in Hell


Which seems horribly harsh, but isn't that what happens when you die in a state of mortal sin such as that?

[philothea]

Some thoughts...

Music lyrics, like poetry, are often highly stylized and not really [i]about[/i] what the words overtly seem to say. This is especially true in the industrial music genre. Don't judge things too harshly when you're not in the target audience.

Music does indeed affect a primal part of your brain, but that part of your brain doesn't have language. The lyrics don't affect you there. Would it be harmful to enjoy music with "bad" lyrics in a language you didn't understand?

Anyway, I wouldn't want to dismiss outright any form of art. People can be moved in surprising ways by powerful music, even in ways that the artist himself never intended. Once "bad" music is considered wrong, then what? Only books where no one does anything evil? Only movies with no conflict?

Any honest artist is seeking the truth. There is only one truth. Just avoid listening to talentless hacks.

OTOH, I try to avoid music (and other art) done by people who eventually killed themselves. I worry about picking up that mindset.

[davefromcm]

If you liked the Critical Mass cut, you can check out the CD "Grasping for Hope in the Darkness" from www.CatholicRock.com

Thanks!


Dave