GAYS TO PROTEST AT MASS

[Fides_et_Ratio]

[quote name='Socrates' date='May 12 2005, 06:58 PM'] If anyone dared even show up at our parish in a rainbow sash - he'd be dead! (I kid you not! - and I mean this in a good way about my parish!) [/quote]
Well, normally I'd think my parish safe-- but we've had some incidences in my diocese and the overwhelming number of "John Kerry" buttons at my parish was sickening. And as well, my parish has been hosting a West Vicariate (open to the whole diocese) Eucharistic talk every Wednesday and the Church has been more than half empty!

I think my pastor could handle it (and our hospitality team is top notch)... but, Father DEFINITELY doesn't need anymore stress.

I read on their official site that they sent a letter (of "warning" , perhaps?) to all bishops in the States.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

Well i don't know how it would be taken at my church. I mean its a Jesuit church. Silly Jesuits. They seem to be more loyal to their own society then to the Church.

[Socrates]

[quote name='philothea' date='May 12 2005, 07:10 PM'] Are you one of those crazy Texans too? [/quote]
No, I'm a crazy Virginian!

[philothea]

Eeep! Virginians! :hide:



Sorry, I suppose I should be more serious...

Anyway, I hope for their sakes that no one shows up in a rainbow sash!

[KizlarAgha]

[quote name='Socrates' date='May 12 2005, 06:58 PM'] If anyone dared even show up at our parish in a rainbow sash - he'd be dead! (I kid you not! - and I mean this in a good way about my parish!) [/quote]
How can you possibly mean for murder in a good way?

[ironmonk]

[quote name='MC Just' date='May 12 2005, 07:06 PM'] May 12, 2005

GAYS TO PROTEST AT MASS


On May 15, Pentecost Sunday, a group of radical gay activists plan to enter various Catholic churches across the nation during Mass to stage a protest. The group, Rainbow Sash, has done this in the past and is planning to do so again this Sunday.



They have instructed their members to put the rainbow sash over their left shoulder and pin it to their right hip while the priest is processing to the altar. They are then told to go to Holy Communion and, if refused, to return to their seats in the pew and stand while everyone else is kneeling. The sash, they readily admit, is worn as a symbol of protest against the teachings of the Catholic Church on sexuality.



Catholic League president William Donohue commented as follows:



“Last year, Cardinal McCarrick of Washington, D.C. and Cardinal George of Chicago banned Rainbow Sash members from receiving the Eucharist. Cardinal Mahony of Los Angeles, Archbishop Flynn of St. Paul and Minneapolis and Bishop Clark of Rochester, New York did not ban them. This year Archbishop Flynn has told Rainbow Sash that they will be banned. He explicitly said that ‘the Vatican has communicated to me that it does indeed consider the wearing of the Rainbow Sash during reception of Communion to be unacceptable, a directive I believe all Bishops will adhere to.’



“This year, Rainbow Sash has upped the ante. In its May 2 press release, it said that the purpose of their presence is to ‘counter the lies that Pope Benedict XVI is promoting about our community’; it also said that to many gays and lesbians the new pope is an ‘aggressive homophobe.’



“By calling the pope a liar and a homophobe, Rainbow Sash has finally taken off its mask. We look for them to get what they want—to be denied Communion. We also hope the cops are standing by. To exploit the Mass for political purposes is obscene, but it is what we have come to expect from the likes of Rainbow Sash.” [/quote]
Blasphemers! :angry: :mad: :angered: :punch:

I pray that I do not see this. It will be hard to show charity and not resort to force.

This is the type of thing that is totally unacceptable.

Haven't they figured it out yet, according to their terminology, God is a "homophobe" and they need to take the issue up with Him directly.

This kind of utter irreverence for the Lord would get them the death sentence in another time. For their contempt and misleading of the weak minded - this group should be eliminated. The needs of the many, the children that they will corrupt, outweigh their selfish want for an abomination. Those who go against the Lord will parish, either sooner or later. We can see how great God's mercy is because he lets these demented low lifes live.


I will say something... I will say it with charity, and I pray it stops there. Something along the lines of "Please show reverence for the Lord and I will be happy to talk with you about your concerns after Mass, outside." - and whatever else comes to mind... scripture... Catechism... etc...


God Bless,
ironmonk

[Aloysius]

he said nothing about murder

besides, he was using hyperbole, not literally talking about killing

but again; there is a difference between "murder" and "killing" and the post said nothing of murder

EDIT: Ironmonk, sometimes there is no contradiction between charity and force; but I'm sure you know that. the most charitable thing for Jesus to do was fashion a whip and drive the moneychangers out of the temple by force.

[KizlarAgha]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='May 12 2005, 08:18 PM'] he said nothing about murder

besides, he was using hyperbole, not literally talking about killing

but again; there is a difference between "murder" and "killing" and the post said nothing of murder [/quote]
Killing someone wearing a rainbow sash strikes me as murder. But that's just me and I'm crazy sometimes.

[Aloysius]

he was using hyperbole clearly... like when I say right now I'm sooo dead because I didn't do my hw for tomarrow! yeah, if the teacher killed me it would be murder.

and yeah purposeful killing of a rainbow sasher would be murder... but threatening them with an alluminum baseball bat to drive them out of the Church might just be Christ-like IMHO

[KizlarAgha]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='May 12 2005, 08:22 PM'] he was using hyperbole clearly... like when I say right now I'm sooo dead because I didn't do my hw for tomarrow! yeah, if the teacher killed me it would be murder.

and yeah purposeful killing of a rainbow sasher would be murder... but threatening them with an alluminum baseball bat to drive them out of the Church might just be Christ-like IMHO [/quote]
Well I thought "I kid you not" meant that he wasn't kidding.

Anyway, yeah, I think you're right. Christ was pretty wrathful at times and there's certainly something wrong with holding protests during mass - that's just obscene. There's already enough disrespect for Christ in my diocese (yay for Mahoney :angry: ) without dealing with this too.

[Socrates]

I was being a bit hyberbolic - let's just say things would get VERY unpleasant for him!

[Ash Wednesday]

The majority of these activities will probably take place in very large urban churches in Los Angeles, New York, and San Francisco. Basically in pockets of already rampant heterodox activity where people pat each other on the back for their "activism." They aren't really performing acts of bravery.

Will Cardinal George and McCarrick uphold their bans? Were they effective ever since last year and still stand?

[KizlarAgha]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='May 12 2005, 08:27 PM'] The majority of these activities will probably take place in very large urban churches in Los Angeles, New York, and San Francisco. Basically in pockets of already rampant heterodox activity where people pat each other on the back for their "activism." They aren't really performing acts of bravery.
[/quote]
Wow that sounds really familiar...

You're absolutely right. It's like all the gay rights protests on my university campus. You're on a liberal california campus: What are you protesting? What's courageous about this?

[DemonSlayer]

Apparently the Mass means absolutely nothing for these people, why would they even want to recieve the Eucharist if they think it's okay to disrespect the Mass, by going there for another purpose than to recieve Christ.

[return2truth]

Anyone who interferes with anyone else's religious service is greivously disrespectful. How can they expect to deserve respect in return?

[Curt F.]

This thread disgusts me. You act as if homosexuals aren't people, calling this a disorder. If someone had alcholism, would they be allowed to recieve Communion? Is that not also condemned in the Bible?

It's hypocritical to think you are so much better than them. You oppress them, and they just want it to end, so you send death threats? Sounds like a bully in a middle school. Look past your hatefilled arguments and try to formulate some sense into all of this. They are as different from "us" as black people are from whites.

[KizlarAgha]

[quote name='Curt F.' date='May 12 2005, 09:11 PM'] This thread disgusts me. You act as if homosexuals aren't people, calling this a disorder. If someone had alcholism, would they be allowed to recieve Communion? Is that not also condemned in the Bible?

It's hypocritical to think you are so much better than them. You oppress them, and they just want it to end, so you send death threats? Sounds like a bully in a middle school. Look past your hatefilled arguments and try to formulate some sense into all of this. They are as different from "us" as black people are from whites. [/quote]
Actually, I've said nothing of the sort. The fact is, it is completely inappropriate to protest the policies of the Church during mass. That's all there is to it. I'm perfectly willing to have an open and honest dialogue with homosexual individuals, respecting them and trying to understand the choices they make. However, there is a forum for that dialogue and it isn't the mass.

[Didacus]

[quote name='return2truth' date='May 12 2005, 09:03 PM'] Anyone who interferes with anyone else's religious service is greivously disrespectful. How can they expect to deserve respect in return? [/quote]
That is one of the ONLY remarks I can agree with in this post.

Proposing violence will only allow for more violence.

We need to put this into context;

1. the disrespect of our religion and the church
2. the homosexuality issue

I have been debating this issue long enough (over 15 years in a vast variety of circles) to tell you the tactic being used here by the pro-homos is simple; PROVOKE THEM WITH DISRESPECT, AND LET THEIR ACTION SPEAK AGAINST THEIR OBJECTIONS TO HOMOSEXUALITY

If you react to them in ANY way, believe me, that is what they want because that gives them amo to continue their cause.

Their aim is to confuse the issue. Using our outrage towards their disrespect to justify their views. Doesn't make sense does it? Believe me, it works. It is a popular media trick, typical propaganda.

To react to them in the church is not the way, and non-violent approaches such as theirs SHOULD NOT be met with violence. (if they where coming by with knives and guns and ready to use them, THEN you get ready to meet violence with violence). This matter should not be escaladed.

Rather I think this protest should be met at the same level. The catholic sash idea, and taken to one of THEIR groups. That takes the battle to THEIR home field, and makes them react, and thus GIVES US THE AMMO TO FIGHT.

Pick your fights, choose your moments, and inside a church is NOT the place nor the time for such things.

[KizlarAgha]

[quote name='Didacus' date='May 12 2005, 09:20 PM'] That is one of the ONLY remarks I can agree with in this post.

Proposing violence will only allow for more violence.

We need to put this into context;

1. the disrespect of our religion and the church
2. the homosexuality issue

I have been debating this issue long enough (over 15 years in a vast variety of circles) to tell you the tactic being used here by the pro-homos is simple; PROVOKE THEM WITH DISRESPECT, AND LET THEIR ACTION SPEAK AGAINST THEIR OBJECTIONS TO HOMOSEXUALITY

If you react to them in ANY way, believe me, that is what they want because that gives them amo to continue their cause.

Their aim is to confuse the issue. Using our outrage towards their disrespect to justify their views. Doesn't make sense does it? Believe me, it works. It is a popular media trick, typical propaganda.

To react to them in the church is not the way, and non-violent approaches such as theirs SHOULD NOT be met with violence. (if they where coming by with knives and guns and ready to use them, THEN you get ready to meet violence with violence). This matter should not be escaladed.

Rather I think this protest should be met at the same level. The catholic sash idea, and taken to one of THEIR groups. That takes the battle to THEIR home field, and makes them react, and thus GIVES US THE AMMO TO FIGHT.

Pick your fights, choose your moments, and inside a church is NOT the place nor the time for such things. [/quote]
Indeed. I definitely second the violence thing. We aren't called to behave like that.

[Curt F.]

[quote name='KizlarAgha' date='May 12 2005, 09:17 PM'] Actually, I've said nothing of the sort. The fact is, it is completely inappropriate to protest the policies of the Church during mass. That's all there is to it. I'm perfectly willing to have an open and honest dialogue with homosexual individuals, respecting them and trying to understand the choices they make. However, there is a forum for that dialogue and it isn't the mass. [/quote]
Oh, trust me, I in no way agree with the policy's of these people, but they slander I am hearing against gays in this thread is disgusting.