1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 [quote name='hot stuff' date='May 31 2005, 09:54 AM'] Saturn markets to the gay demographic more aggressively than any other car maker. [/quote] I don't know. VW seems to be really after the gay market. If I recall correctly, close to half of the top ten gay cars were made by VW.
KizlarAgha Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 Look, marketing to gays is good business, as hot stuff said. Besides, you're neglecting the fact that only Democrats drive Volvos, so it isn't really a big deal anyway. And finally - are you guys nuts? So what, gay people shouldn't be allowed to buy cars? That's insane.
Nicole8223 Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 Of course they should be allowed to buy cars. But I know working for Subaru, that they give money to support gay causes, and promote the gay lifestyle. THAT is the problem.
KizlarAgha Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 [quote name='Nicole8223' date='May 31 2005, 10:51 AM'] Of course they should be allowed to buy cars. But I know working for Subaru, that they give money to support gay causes, and promote the gay lifestyle. THAT is the problem. [/quote] That's so sneaky and insidious. It's almost like there's some kind of GAY AGENDA!
Didacus Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 [quote name='thessalonian' date='May 31 2005, 10:00 AM'] They had to do a study to find out that people who can't possibly have children have more disposable income. [/quote] Common sense is sometimes an ellusive thing! Oh and Nicole, I'm afraid is you are looking for a company that cares more for morals than money you're in for a long search. You have a better chance at finding a perfectly honest man! To make money is a companies reason of existing (generally speaking).
Nicole8223 Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 I know it. I feel worried. But I also know God called me to study marketing, and I know he wouldn't ask me to compromise my values, so I trust He's got it all figured out. I just gotta wait for Him to let me know!
lil bull 04 Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I can't believe this! No! NO! NOOOOOOOOOO! Not Ford! :angry: :angry:
KizlarAgha Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 [quote name='lil bull 04' date='May 31 2005, 11:17 AM'] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I can't believe this! No! NO! NOOOOOOOOOO! Not Ford! :angry: :angry: [/quote] Don't worry. You can still buy a Ford car. So what if GLAAD gets a little money?
ironmonk Posted May 31, 2005 Author Posted May 31, 2005 [quote name='hot stuff' date='May 31 2005, 11:54 AM'] Lest we forget Saturn markets to the gay demographic more aggressively than any other car maker. Putting aside the moral implications of the gay lifestyle for a second, (and I'm probably going to be shot for this one), the marketing strategy makes a lot of fiscal sense for several reasons. 1. Market studies show that homosexuals have more disposable income. 2. Because they have more disposable income, they have a tendency to be less of a credit risk 3. Companies have avoided marketing to them, so they are an untapped demographic. Because of this, you can invest less to market to them than other demographics. [/quote] It does not make any fiscal sense when one actually thinks about the outcome of marketing to them... because it pushes away families. Families make up the majority of America and reproduce... homosexuals cannot reproduce naturally, it is harder for them to reproduce than it is a normal family. Using the same logic you stated, then people should market to the KKK or to any other niche group. The reason why it is stupid to market to them is because it offends the majority. God Bless, ironmonk
KizlarAgha Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 [quote name='ironmonk' date='May 31 2005, 11:25 AM'] It does not make any fiscal sense when one actually thinks about the outcome of marketing to them... because it pushes away families. Families make up the majority of America and reproduce... homosexuals cannot reproduce naturally, it is harder for them to reproduce than it is a normal family. Using the same logic you stated, then people should market to the KKK or to any other niche group. The reason why it is stupid to market to them is because it offends the majority. God Bless, ironmonk [/quote] Marketing to 10% of the population that nobody markets to is brilliant. If it didn't make money they wouldn't do it. It doesn't push away families. Only a few zealots would be willing to boycott a car company based on marketing to homosexuals.
ironmonk Posted May 31, 2005 Author Posted May 31, 2005 [quote name='KizlarAgha' date='May 31 2005, 12:45 PM'] Look, marketing to gays is good business, as hot stuff said. Besides, you're neglecting the fact that only Democrats drive Volvos, so it isn't really a big deal anyway. And finally - are you guys nuts? So what, gay people shouldn't be allowed to buy cars? That's insane. [/quote] Are you a fool? You call us nuts for following Catholic teaching? It is foolish to think that marketing to the homosexual lifestyle is not a big deal. Marketing to the homosexual lifestyle normalizes the evil it is and will warp children. It is not good for society. If anyone cannot see the logic in this, please read the Scriptures and the Catechism a few dozen times before replying. It is assinine to make the statement "So what, gay people shouldn't be allowed to buy cars?" - Please stop and think. That was not even implied. How does someone come up with things like this from what was given?! It is a totally illogical assumption. God Bless, ironmonk
KizlarAgha Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 [quote name='ironmonk' date='May 31 2005, 11:33 AM'] Are you a fool? You call us nuts for following Catholic teaching? It is foolish to think that marketing to the homosexual lifestyle is not a big deal. Marketing to the homosexual lifestyle normalizes the evil it is and will warp children. It is not good for society. If anyone cannot see the logic in this, please read the Scriptures and the Catechism a few dozen times before replying. It is assinine to make the statement "So what, gay people shouldn't be allowed to buy cars?" - Please stop and think. That was not even implied. How does someone come up with things like this from what was given?! It is a totally illogical assumption. God Bless, ironmonk [/quote] Well...if you aren't allowed to market cars to gay people... Besides, Ironmonk, we all know at your dealership you'd make sure every prospective buyer had made a full confession to his priest before purchasing an automobile.
ironmonk Posted May 31, 2005 Author Posted May 31, 2005 [quote name='KizlarAgha' date='May 31 2005, 01:29 PM'] Marketing to 10% of the population that nobody markets to is brilliant. If it didn't make money they wouldn't do it. It doesn't push away families. Only a few zealots would be willing to boycott a car company based on marketing to homosexuals. [/quote] You have a lot to learn about the Catholic faith. Marketing to the homosexual lifestyle is going to push away more than a few zealots... try millions of families. If you think otherwise, then it is obvious that you do not see the big picture.
ironmonk Posted May 31, 2005 Author Posted May 31, 2005 [quote name='KizlarAgha' date='May 31 2005, 01:34 PM'] Well...if you aren't allowed to market cars to gay people... Besides, Ironmonk, we all know at your dealership you'd make sure every prospective buyer had made a full confession to his priest before purchasing an automobile. [/quote] Maybe you overlooked this.... [quote]Please stop and think[/quote]
KizlarAgha Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 [quote name='ironmonk' date='May 31 2005, 11:35 AM'] You have a lot to learn about the Catholic faith. Marketing to the homosexual lifestyle is going to push away more than a few zealots... try millions of families. If you think otherwise, then it is obvious that you do not see the big picture. [/quote] I do see the big picture. The big picture is that most people want to be left alone and leave others alone. The big picture is that Catholics are a minority and that gay and lesbian ministers are being appointed in protestant churches. The big picture is that most states have clauses protecting homosexuality as a way of life. That's the big picture.
KizlarAgha Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 [quote name='ironmonk' date='May 31 2005, 11:36 AM'] Maybe you overlooked this.... [/quote] I did stop and think. See, knee-jerk reactions are your department.
ironmonk Posted May 31, 2005 Author Posted May 31, 2005 [quote name='KizlarAgha' date='May 31 2005, 01:37 PM'] I do see the big picture. The big picture is that most people want to be left alone and leave others alone. The big picture is that Catholics are a minority and that gay and lesbian ministers are being appointed in protestant churches. The big picture is that most states have clauses protecting homosexuality as a way of life. That's the big picture. [/quote] No it's not. The big picture is that there are millions of families that are part of a group that will boycott ford over this and send millions of emails, calls, etc... to ford. The big picture is many people on this planet still stand up for what is right instead of sitting idle by. The big picture is if more people lived their faith in the past and stood up for what is right then we would not be in the mess we are in. Maybe you want to accept the evil of this planet, which is understandable, it's the easy way. I for one am not. I will fight for truth even unto my death... Sirach 4:28. [url="http://www.afa.net/"]http://www.afa.net/[/url] [url="http://www.onemilliondads.com"]http://www.onemilliondads.com[/url] [url="http://www.onemillionmoms.com"]http://www.onemillionmoms.com[/url] I don't know what you consider the word "most" to mean but if it is as in the "majority" then you are wrong. Most states [b]do not[/b] have clauses protecting the homosexual lifestyle. Only a few do. God Bless, ironmonk
KizlarAgha Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 1 Corin. 9:19 Although I am free in regard to all, I have made myself a slave to all so as to win over as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew to win over Jews; to those under the law I became like one under the law--though I myself am not under the law--to win over those under the law. 21 To those outside the law I became like one outside the law--though I am not outside God's law but within the law of Christ--to win over those outside the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win over the weak. I have become all things to all, to save at least some. 23 All this I do for the sake of the gospel, so that I too may have a share in it.
ironmonk Posted May 31, 2005 Author Posted May 31, 2005 [quote name='KizlarAgha' date='May 31 2005, 02:00 PM'] 1 Corin. 9:19 Although I am free in regard to all, I have made myself a slave to all so as to win over as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew to win over Jews; to those under the law I became like one under the law--though I myself am not under the law--to win over those under the law. 21 To those outside the law I became like one outside the law--though I am not outside God's law but within the law of Christ--to win over those outside the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win over the weak. I have become all things to all, to save at least some. 23 All this I do for the sake of the gospel, so that I too may have a share in it. [/quote] This has nothing to do with marketing to the homosexual lifestyle. Context. Context. Context. [b]Romans 1:24 [/b] Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. ... [b]26 [/b]Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, [b]27 [/b]and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. [b]28 [/b]And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper. ... [b]32 [/b]Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. It is wrong, and bad business to market to the homosexual lifestyle. The verses you quote are in regards to things that are not an abomination to God. Approval can never be given to any sin. God Bless, ironmonk
KizlarAgha Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 [quote name='ironmonk' date='May 31 2005, 12:06 PM'] This has nothing to do with marketing to the homosexual lifestyle. Context. Context. Context. [b]Romans 1:24 [/b] Therefore, God handed them over to impurity through the lusts of their hearts for the mutual degradation of their bodies. ... [b]26 [/b]Therefore, God handed them over to degrading passions. Their females exchanged natural relations for unnatural, [b]27 [/b]and the males likewise gave up natural relations with females and burned with lust for one another. Males did shameful things with males and thus received in their own persons the due penalty for their perversity. [b]28 [/b]And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God handed them over to their undiscerning mind to do what is improper. ... [b]32 [/b]Although they know the just decree of God that all who practice such things deserve death, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. It is wrong, and bad business to market to the homosexual lifestyle. The verses you quote are in regards to things that are not an abomination to God. Approval can never be given to any sin. God Bless, ironmonk [/quote] What I was quoting was referring to a difference in strategy. My goal is to convert homosexuals. Your goal seems to be only to bully them.
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