azaelia Posted August 23, 2005 Author Share Posted August 23, 2005 Ok, so I think electric guitars and hand motions are hokey and annoying. Crucify me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 I see nothing wrong with having guitars, but it is how they are used that I have a problem with. If they are played with the right intention, then thats fine with me. That's my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Aug 23 2005, 10:03 AM']Why is it impossible for some folks around here to believe that it is possible that the Holy Father does not have a problem with guitars at mass? [right][snapback]695482[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Because such an idea is totally inconsistent with views he has expressed in his writings. And that would be incredibly tacky.. I believe B16 to be a man of taste. Not to imply that this issue is merely a matter of taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 Popular and Rock Music On the one hand, there is pop music, which is certainly no longer supported by the people in the ancient sense (populus). It is aimed at the phenomenon of the masses, is industrially produced, and ultimately has to be described as a cult of the banal. “Rock”, on the other hand, is the expression of elemental passions, and at rock festivals it assumes a cultic character, a form of worship, in fact, in opposition to Christian worship. People are, so to speak, released from themselves by the experience of being part of a crowd and by the emotional shock of rhythm, noise, and special lighting effects. However, in the ecstasy of having all their defenses torn down, the participants sink, as it were, beneath the elemental force of the universe. The music of the Holy Spirit’s sober inebriation seems to have little chance when self has become a prison, the mind is a shackle, and breaking out from both appears as a true promise of redemption that can be tasted at least for a few moments. [The Spirit of the Liturgy, (SF, CA: Ignatius, 2000), p 148] From the man himself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 Not every kind of music can have a place in Christian worship. It has its standards, and that standard is the Logos. If we want to know whom we are dealing with, the Holy Spirit or the unholy spirit, we have to remember that it is the Holy Spirit who moves us to say, “Jesus is Lord” (~Cor 12:3). The Holy Spirit leads us to the Logos, and he leads us to a music that serves the Logos as a sign of the sursum corda, the lifting up of the human heart. Does it integrate man by drawing him to what is above, or does it cause his disintegration into formless intoxication or mere sensuality? That is the criterion for a music in harmony with logos, a form of that logike latreia (reason-able, logos-worthy worship)… [The Spirit of the Liturgy, (SF, CA: Ignatius, 2000), p. 151] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Aug 23 2005, 12:23 PM']Because such an idea is totally inconsistent with views he has expressed in his writings. And that would be incredibly tacky.. I believe B16 to be a man of taste. Not to imply that this issue is merely a matter of taste. [right][snapback]695679[/snapback][/right] [/quote] And yet there were guitars. There is an old axiom that says "Actions speak louder than words" I have no problem with folks who don't care for guitars at mass. I'm good friends with some of them. What I have a problem with is folks placing their own feelings into that of the Holy Father. I find that to be inappropriate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Aug 23 2005, 01:32 PM']And yet there were guitars. There is an old axiom that says "Actions speak louder than words" I have no problem with folks who don't care for guitars at mass. I'm good friends with some of them. What I have a problem with is folks placing their own feelings into that of the Holy Father. I find that to be inappropriate [right][snapback]695785[/snapback][/right] [/quote] How is assuming that the Pope meant what he said putting my own feelings into the Holy Father? By your way of thinking I would have to conclude that B16 is hypocrite or something. It's pretty easy for me to accept the fact that the Pope does not micro-manage the WYD Masses. I have seen priests celebrate charismatic Masses at Franciscan who are traditionalists and are disgusted by the way they have Mass. But when you are a guest in another parish or diocese (even if you are the Bishop of Rome), it is not always possible to control how things are going to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 [i]I myself have experienced the replacing of the penitential rite by a dance performance, which, needless to say, received a round of applause. [The Spirit of the Liturgy, (SF, CA: Ignatius, 2000), p. 198][/i] and he doesn't approve of liturgical dancing either, but he has experienced it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 If I'm not mistaken, while the pope has spoken extensively about the liturgy, he has not declared the guitar to be an inappropriate instrument. I could be wrong about that but I haven't seen anything that would suggest that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 no, he hasn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 as i said earlier, i have no problem with the guitar, IF it is played in the correct manner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccoli Fiori JMJ Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 Classical guitar is beautiful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azaelia Posted August 23, 2005 Author Share Posted August 23, 2005 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Aug 23 2005, 02:44 PM']If I'm not mistaken, while the pope has spoken extensively about the liturgy, he has not declared the guitar to be an inappropriate instrument. I could be wrong about that but I haven't seen anything that would suggest that. [right][snapback]695801[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Could we please differentiate between electric guitar and acoustic guitar? Because my complaint refers particularly to electric guitar, not acoustic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semperviva Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 an electric guitar can also be utilized correctly in mass in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptor13 Posted August 23, 2005 Share Posted August 23, 2005 [quote name='son_of_angels' date='Aug 22 2005, 04:31 PM']Anyone else notice how they kept mispronouncing the Latin. HOW CAN YOU MISPRONOUNCE LATIN?! They kept pronouncing "excelsis" like a bunch of hicks do. The 'ce' is soft, like 'sh.' It is not that difficult. I'll admit the chanting seemed a little rigid. It is a very fluid form of singing, not like German But I thought the "Missa Mundi" was pretty neat, especially the Credo. [right][snapback]694615[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Maybe they were pronouncing it in the classical style, in which the "ce" [i]would [/i]be hard. Only 'modern' ecclesiastical latin has soft pronounciation. Why they would pronounce it classically, and not ecclesiatically, i have no idea.... maybe it was a side-effect of the German background of the singers (german having harder sounds.) Anyways, i'm no great fan of modern liturgical music, so [i]this [/i]would be my kinda WYD... [url="http://www.juventutem.com/accueil-eng.php"]Juventutem[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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