women and the workplace

[dspen2005]

i seem to have heard that before.... hmmm, i wonder where???

[Sarah_JC]

track2004, The boy toy was always cooler than the girl toy at McDonalds... I mean, it moved! The only thing that moved on the Barbie was the hair.
It's a moot point. If there was a colouring books and crayon option most kids would take that one.

There's been lots of botched experiments with raising girls as boys, or boys as girls. One I remember clearly, the man found out they'd been giving him hormones, and had altered him physically, and he rejected it. He started on testosterone, had the necessary operations... and married.
But what the years of growing up injected with estrogen did to his face... it's terrible.

But I think there should be women in the workplace. Because they think slower, and more broadly, they're better suited to many jobs.
And personally, when it comes time for me to get a doctor, I'd prefer a lady.
But perhaps these women should consider a vocation to the single life?

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Sarah_JC' date='Sep 20 2005, 05:39 PM']
But perhaps these women should consider a vocation to the single life?
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While I would not necessarily consider that a vocation properly speaking (a debate I am not willing to enter into here), I agree with you. You want a career, don't have kids. You want kids, postpone the carer till they are in school or something of that nature.

[avemaria40]

I want a career ( either a singer n a band, solo singer, nurse, psychologist, music therapist, OB/GYN, or social worker) but if i was married, i would so take time off to have children, to nurse them, and take care of them. When they were in school i would go back to work, but i wouldn't work full time until they were in college.

[Cam42]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Sep 20 2005, 08:32 PM']While I would not necessarily consider that a vocation properly speaking (a debate I am not willing to enter into here), I agree with you.  You want a career, don't have kids.  You want kids, postpone the carer till they are in school or something of that nature.
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PSPX,

Being one who is called to the single life, I respectfully disagree with you. There is a vocation to the single life.

At this time, I am not married, nor do I have a vocation to priesthood or religious life. I am a supernumerary for Opus Dei, but I am not nor do I have any desire to enter into a relationship and marry.

There is most definitely think that there is a vocation to the single life. It is more commonly called the "Consecrated Life," but it is nevertheless a vocation.

Women are most often recognized in this, as consecrated virgins, however, there are men, such as myself and numeraries (of which I am discerning) of Opus Dei who are called to the single life.

While you are entitled to your opinion, the Catechism of the Catholic Church supports my position though.....please reference CCC 897-924.

I have a friend who is a Consecrated Virgin. It is a beautiful vocation and she is a wonderful person. I would say this, as well, she is a cardiologist at one of the major hospitals in the Twin Cities.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Cam42' date='Sep 20 2005, 08:50 PM']PSPX,

Being one who is called to the single life, I respectfully disagree with you.  There is a vocation to the single life.

At this time, I am not married, nor do I have a vocation to priesthood or religious life.  I am a supernumerary for Opus Dei, but I am not nor do I have any desire to enter into a relationship and marry.

There is most definitely think that there is a vocation to the single life.  It is more commonly called the "Consecrated Life," but it is nevertheless a vocation.

Women are most often recognized in this, as consecrated virgins, however, there are men, such as myself and numeraries (of which I am discerning) of Opus Dei who are called to the single life.

While you are entitled to your opinion, the Catechism of the Catholic Church supports my position though.....please reference CCC 897-924.

I have a friend who is a Consecrated Virgin.  It is a beautiful vocation and she is a wonderful person.  I would say this, as well, she is a cardiologist at one of the major hospitals in the Twin Cities.
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Please refernce my post:

[quote]a debate I am not willing to enter into here[/quote]

Why am I not willing to enter this debate here in this thread? Because it would hijack the thread. My terms would need to be defined and nuance explained. Otherwise my comment cannot be understood properly. I'm not questioning what you said. I'm simply saying that I will not debate my position here. Period.

[StatingTheObvious]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Sep 16 2005, 09:22 AM']Well, I'll just say this: It's pretty hard for a one income family to live in the suburbs with two income families who have no intentions of paying off their debts (including their mortgages)...
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Then again, families could try to live within their means and can do it on 1 income. I do, my parents did, most of my fellow employees do. The difference is telling the difference between luxuries and necessities.

For example:
- 1 TV is plenty and they still broadcast to you for free.
- A movie is just as good 2 years later when they broadcast it.
- A VCR is a luxury and you can buy a working one at a garage sale for $10 and pay .50 for movies.
- A car will last 15 years or more if you take care of it.
- At legal speed limit, my 10 year old Cavalier will get me there at the same time as your $35,000 Nissan.
- Electric windows and door locks are luxuries and my windows and locks work just fine.
- $12 Jeans at wal-mart last just as long as $35 Levis. I don't buy socks at Burdines.
- I can eat my sandwich, cold leftovers, etc., out of my 'brown bag' faster than you can go to McDonalds and get a Big Mac.
- Water quenches thirst better than soda and I can afford lemon juice or lime juice if I want to be 'wild'.
- I don't have much cash, or make a ton, but I've got excellent credit for emergencies because I pay for neccessities as I go.
- Vacation is an escape from work, not from your home. I don't think many of us have houses in Hell that we have to escape from.
- Pay phones are still abundant and only cost 25cents for local. Society has survived for eons without instant communication to ask which flavor of $3 coffe to bring home from StarBucks.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='StatingTheObvious' date='Sep 21 2005, 10:57 AM']Then again, families could try to live within their means and can do it on 1 income.  I do, my parents did, most of my fellow employees do.  The difference is telling the difference between luxuries and necessities.

For example:
- 1 TV is plenty and they still broadcast to you for free.
- A movie is just as good 2 years later when they broadcast it.
- A VCR is a luxury and you can buy a working one at a garage sale for $10 and pay .50 for movies.
- A car will last 15 years or more if you take care of it.
- At legal speed limit, my 10 year old Cavalier will get me there at the same time as your $35,000 Nissan.
- Electric windows and door locks are luxuries and my windows and locks work just fine.
- $12 Jeans at wal-mart last just as long as $35 Levis.  I don't buy socks at Burdines.
- I can eat my sandwich, cold leftovers, etc., out of my 'brown bag' faster than you can go to McDonalds and get a Big Mac.
- Water quenches thirst better than soda and I can afford lemon juice or lime juice if I want to be 'wild'.
- I don't have much cash, or make a ton, but I've got excellent credit for emergencies because I pay for neccessities as I go.
- Vacation is an escape from work, not from your home.  I don't think many of us have houses in Hell that we have to escape from.
- Pay phones are still abundant and only cost 25cents for local.  Society has survived for eons without instant communication to ask which flavor of $3 coffe to bring home from StarBucks.
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:applause:

you are my hero.

[dspen2005]

can i get an 'AMEN!!' up in heuh

[track2004]

Right. That's cheap living. I have less than that and I'm fine. But what happens when you add in:
-Car insurance
-School tuition (because we send our kids to Catholic schools or college)
-Food for the house hold
-Work suits
-Rent or house payments
-Health/ Home/ Life insurance
Things add up quickly...

And yeah you can live cheap, but why do the guys have to be the wage earners? Why can't women be? Guys can be stay at home dads. Girls can be educated and earn good money. Just because a family can life off one income doesn't mean it has to be the guys.

[StColette]

[quote name='track2004' date='Sep 21 2005, 02:46 PM']
And yeah you can live cheap, but why do the guys have to be the wage earners?  Why can't women be?  Guys can be stay at home dads.  Girls can be educated and earn good money.  Just because a family can life off one income doesn't mean it has to be the guys.
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I agree with this. Partly because I was raised by a stay at home dad. After my dad's accident, which left him unable to work, he stayed at home with 4 kids while my mother worked. There are some that believe that it is still best for a mother to be the main care giver for children, and that most men aren't capable of handling such a job. I'm definitely here to disagree with that. Men, most of the ones in my family, are great caring fathers toward their children and are just as capable as the mothers to provide a caring surrounding for them to be in.

From my own personal experience, I wouldn't trade having been raised by my father for anything, and neither would my brothers or sister. My mother was still a constant figure in my life even if she did work.

So I think it's possibe for men to be stay at home dad's while mom works.

God Bless,
Jen

[jasJis]

[quote name='track2004' date='Sep 21 2005, 02:46 PM']Right.  That's cheap living.  I have less than that and I'm fine.  But what happens when you add in:
-Car insurance
-School tuition (because we send our kids to Catholic schools or college)
-Food for the house hold
-Work suits
-Rent or house payments
-Health/ Home/ Life insurance
Things add up quickly...
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My wife and I raised 2 kids on mostly 1 income. Sometimes my wife worked part time at home, but our focus was on quality of life, not quality of material possesions. And we sent our kids to Catholic schools and often had to ask for financial assistance. I live in suburbia with 2 income families, but we don't have the same stuff in our house and garage they do. My house didn't happen overnight and I'm a good 15 years older than most of the 2 income households. My dad always said that one of the worst things to happen in society is Americans thinking we have to have two incomes to live. My mom had a professional job after the youngest was in school but family comes first and we never lived as well as the neighbors, nor ever expected to. We were the last ones I know to own a color TV (won at a church carnival) , but we survived.
A roof, cothing and food are needs, everything else is gravy.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='jasJis' date='Sep 21 2005, 04:52 PM']My wife and I raised 2 kids on mostly 1 income.  Sometimes my wife worked part time at home, but our focus was on quality of life, not quality of material possesions.  And we sent our kids to Catholic schools and often had to ask for financial assistance.  I live in suburbia with 2 income families, but we don't have the same stuff in our house and garage they do.  My house didn't happen overnight and I'm a good 15 years older than most of the 2 income households.  My dad always said that one of the worst things to happen in society is Americans thinking we have to have two incomes to live.  My mom had a professional job after the youngest was in school but family comes first and we never lived as well as the neighbors, nor ever expected to.  We were the last ones I know to own a color TV (won at a church carnival) , but we survived. 
A roof, cothing and food are needs, everything else is gravy.
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Amen to that Jas.
I have three kids in college and I am on disablilty.
It is hard but can be done with patience [and flea markets, thrift shops and hand-me-downs]

[Socrates]

[quote name='StatingTheObvious' date='Sep 21 2005, 09:57 AM']Then again, families could try to live within their means and can do it on 1 income.  I do, my parents did, most of my fellow employees do.  The difference is telling the difference between luxuries and necessities.

For example:
- 1 TV is plenty and they still broadcast to you for free.
- A movie is just as good 2 years later when they broadcast it.
- A VCR is a luxury and you can buy a working one at a garage sale for $10 and pay .50 for movies.
- A car will last 15 years or more if you take care of it.
- At legal speed limit, my 10 year old Cavalier will get me there at the same time as your $35,000 Nissan.
- Electric windows and door locks are luxuries and my windows and locks work just fine.
- $12 Jeans at wal-mart last just as long as $35 Levis.  I don't buy socks at Burdines.
- I can eat my sandwich, cold leftovers, etc., out of my 'brown bag' faster than you can go to McDonalds and get a Big Mac.
- Water quenches thirst better than soda and I can afford lemon juice or lime juice if I want to be 'wild'.
- I don't have much cash, or make a ton, but I've got excellent credit for emergencies because I pay for neccessities as I go.
- Vacation is an escape from work, not from your home.  I don't think many of us have houses in Hell that we have to escape from.
- Pay phones are still abundant and only cost 25cents for local.  Society has survived for eons without instant communication to ask which flavor of $3 coffe to bring home from StarBucks.
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Way to state the obvious, StatingTheObvious!

That's one of the most commonsensical things I've ever seen posted here.

Today people think they're entitled to every luxury - a big house, the newest coolest cars, the newest coolest clothes, and the newest coolest gadgets - like it's their American birthright.
And if people can't afford these things, it's considered up to government to "fix the problem" so that everyone can "live the American dream."

People are materialistic and measure a man's worth soley by his possessions. We men are told we need to have fancy cars and wear $200 blue jeans and $200 shoes to be attractive to women, and many women, unfortunately, buy into this.

And people are unwilling to have kids if that means giving up having the newest coolest stuff that they think they're entitled to.

[photosynthesis]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Sep 21 2005, 08:24 PM']People are materialistic and measure a man's worth soleley by his possessions.  We men are told we need to have fancy cars and wear $200 blue jeans and  $200 shoes to be attractive to women, and many women, unfortunately, buy into this.

And people are unwilling to have kids if that means giving up having the newest coolest stuff that they think they're entitled to.
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People also are afraid of getting their newest coolest stuff dirty

It's so sad how much people obsess over labels and brands. After Mass we usually spend some time in fellowship, just hanging out...and usually I bring the snacks and drinks. There is this one person who is always complaining that I always get store-brand food, saying that it doesn't taste as good. Store brand food tastes just fine!!! she is lucky that I bring food at all People are way too attached to brands, and it is disgusting how companies are using such deceptive adversiting (known as "branding") on those who are very young. When I have kids, they will not watch TV, at least not in my house.

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[track2004]

That message was brought to you by the "evil conservative industries" btw...

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='jasJis' date='Sep 21 2005, 04:52 PM']My wife and I raised 2 kids on mostly 1 income.  Sometimes my wife worked part time at home, but our focus was on quality of life, not quality of material possesions.  And we sent our kids to Catholic schools and often had to ask for financial assistance.  I live in suburbia with 2 income families, but we don't have the same stuff in our house and garage they do.  My house didn't happen overnight and I'm a good 15 years older than most of the 2 income households.  My dad always said that one of the worst things to happen in society is Americans thinking we have to have two incomes to live.  My mom had a professional job after the youngest was in school but family comes first and we never lived as well as the neighbors, nor ever expected to.  We were the last ones I know to own a color TV (won at a church carnival) , but we survived. 
A roof, cothing and food are needs, everything else is gravy.
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Amen and Amen! I'm right there with you. I do landscaping. My wife raises babies. We get by. Barely sometimes, but we get by.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='photosynthesis' date='Sep 21 2005, 07:54 PM']People also are afraid of getting their newest coolest stuff dirty

  When I have kids, they will not watch TV, at least not in my house.
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Good idea.

Edited September 22, 2005 by popestpiusx

[jasJis]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Sep 22 2005, 06:21 AM']Good idea.
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[/quote]Parents are more influential than TV. I've let my kids watch TV, but we buy basics, store brands, coupons, etc. Now my kids think it's idiotic to be suckered in to 'name brands' and tell me stories. My 16 year old bought a cool belt at Ross (discount store) for $2. She goes to a high school with predominately affluent kids. A girl had on the exact same identical belt and asked if she was at Burdines that weekend and bought it on sale for $16 like she did. My daughter laughed and said no, she got it at Ross for $2 bucks, but she said I'm sure yours will last 10 times longer since you paid more for it. (She's not the best at mental math but knows financial efficiencey.) My daughter loves that story.