musturde Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 [quote name='Myles' date='Feb 4 2006, 10:24 AM'][url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4681294.stm"]Embassies burn in cartoon protest [/url] Fresh from Syria... [right][snapback]875577[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That's just peachy. They better not set up something similar to that in Lebanon.
Myles Domini Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 [quote name='musturde' date='Feb 4 2006, 04:28 PM']That's just peachy. They better not set up something similar to that in Lebanon. [right][snapback]875581[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Lord help us if Lebanon erupts into violence again...
Deeds Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Myles' date='Feb 4 2006, 12:25 AM']Cmom I dont even wanna say what I think of European people and I live in Europe. You know I am an Afro-Carribean 3rd generation immigrant. I used to be proud to have been born in Britain, to be part of its legacy and an inheritor of its traditions the traditions of the only European country without a codified constitution where the Medieval ideal of kinship endures ensuring the government will not violate our rights even though they're not set in stone. Now...keh...I'm just GLAD not to be of the European stock so that I can claim some kind of culture wherein the people have guts. God Bless America where people actually have the cojones to fight for something! [right][snapback]874945[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Have you lived in America, or are you basing this on internet articles? Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion, but personally I think it's wrong to insult people's ethnology. If you live here, you are part of whatever problems Europe is facing (which tbh, are much the same ones as the rest of the world) and you, with your Afro-Caribbean ancestors, are just as much a part of it as me, with my European ones. You can't just turn around and say "meh, I'm of superior stock so it's nothing to do with me." Edited February 4, 2006 by Deeds
Myles Domini Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Deeds' date='Feb 4 2006, 05:56 PM']Have you lived in America, or are you basing this on internet articles? Anyway, you're entitled to your opinion, but personally I think it's wrong to insult people's ethnology. If you live here, you are part of whatever problems Europe is facing (which tbh, are much the same ones as the rest of the world) and you, with your Afro-Caribbean ancestors, are just as much a part of it as me, with my European ones. You can't just turn around and say "meh, I'm of superior stock so it's nothing to do with me." [right][snapback]875674[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I didnt mean to offend you. Actually, my words were very far from my true feelings. Indeed, had I no care for Europe I would not bother getting worked up about it. Simply I see a continent which I love very much and more particularly the country of Great Britain betraying itself to political correctness. Prime example was what happened yesterday: People who objected to the hate protestors in London were warded off by the police but inspite of their incitement to hatred the protestors were protected? All of a sudden everyone is becoming aware of religious sensibilities e.g. Jack Straw. Where were his sensibilities when the Jerry Springer musical came out? Or when the Da Vinci Code film was being made in Hyde Park and around W1? I dont mind being told to shutup cos I'm Catholic what I do mind is being told, as I was today, that Christians have a martyr complex and have no right to complain whereas we shouldn't incite Muslims because of the possible repercussions. I'm sorry to me thats spinelessness, fear of being attacked leads to you taking one stance on tolerance with one religious group and another stance with another religious group. How can we be claiming to promote freedom and equality when we dont even treat our own people equally and of all things because we're afraid to. Maybe being a Londoner breeds an attitude in you. But the ethnically English people I knew wouldn't let anyone come into their manor and take liberties. That would get 'sorted'. Yet now the leadership of this nation cowers and shudders before violence unable to treat one religious group with the same disrespect they've shown to Christians. Where is the pride that I loved about this country? The heart? The strength? Daresay the arrogance of the islander mentality? I never thought I would ever see the day that I would look at the 'Great' in Great Britain and wonder where it vanished to. I expected the English mentality to be the good old 'Come on over here if you think your hard enough then?' But I am shocked, saddened and deeply dissapointed to see that it has not been so over this episode which is something I cannot hide. I'm not saying I have no responsibilities towards this country or the continent of Europe (though being Euroskeptical I'd say less towards the latter) I'm just dissapointed that I cant find more Englishmen to stand up to these bully boy tactics and stop playing the PC tune. Edited February 4, 2006 by Myles
God Conquers Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 I think the main concern in this case is the reaction. This clearly dilineates between the Christian and the Muslim faith. When bad things are said/done about Christians we get angry, we write letters, and we boycott. But you couldn't find 10 Christians who would attack the freedom of speech, nor take attitudes like these thousands of muslims: [img]http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6031/9/1600/hell002.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/protest2.jpg[/img] I mean... thousands... calling for blood. butcher.. kill... real holocaust.... sever heads... Religion of peace my ---
philothea Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 [quote name='God Conquers' date='Feb 4 2006, 01:25 PM']I mean... thousands... calling for blood. butcher.. kill... real holocaust.... sever heads... Religion of peace my --- [right][snapback]875721[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yeah. I have several times tried to read the Koran. (A translation, at least, and yes I know it can't really be translated. Anyway.) It's too schizophrenic to get through. So I can't personally verify the religion of peace supposition, and I suspect all commenters of bias. The evidence sure is contrary, though.
God Conquers Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 Oh ya, let's not forget holding the government and all citizens responsible for the actions of a second-rate newspaper. A danish embassy was burned down today.
tojo Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 [quote name='Luthien' date='Feb 4 2006, 03:59 PM']The Muslims overracted. [right][snapback]875754[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Remember the riots that began in France last fall? This sort of thing is becoming a frequent even in Europe, wonder when it will start in the United States and Canada?
philothea Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 [quote name='tomasio127' date='Feb 4 2006, 02:27 PM']Remember the riots that began in France last fall? This sort of thing is becoming a frequent even in Europe, wonder when it will start in the United States and Canada? [right][snapback]875773[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I don't see it happening in the US. In what city do you think it would start? As far as I am aware, the muslims here are not concentrated in large, impoverished groups. All the muslims [i]I[/i] know are medical doctors!
tojo Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 [quote name='philothea' date='Feb 4 2006, 04:32 PM']I don't see it happening in the US. In what city do you think it would start? As far as I am aware, the muslims here are not concentrated in large, impoverished groups. All the muslims [i]I[/i] know are medical doctors! [right][snapback]875777[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Have you heard of Dearborn, MI? [quote]Dearborn is home to over 29,000 Arab-Americans, the second largest population within the U.S. (New York, New York has nearly 70,000). Arabs first settled here to work in the automotive industry. In January 2005, a new Arab American National Museum opened as a result of this large concentrated population. The city is also home to the Dearborn Mosque. Because of the Arab influence in Dearborn, store signs and billboards written in Arabic are common sights.[/quote] There are also many Muslims in other cities in Southeast Michigan.
Sojourner Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 [url="http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060204/NEWS01/602040409/1006/NEWS01"]The Indy Star had a story relating to this today ...[/url] Apparently our local Muslims think the reaction abroad was "extreme." [quote]Had the cartoons been published in America, Muslims would have protested, staged boycotts and objected through letter writing and media campaigns, he said.[/quote] I say we give it a try and see if he's right!
Myles Domini Posted February 4, 2006 Posted February 4, 2006 [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4676210.stm"]European press review [/url] on the cartoons courtesy of the beeb. Incredible I never imagined that it would the continentals and not the British who would insist on equality of everyone under the law. The surprises just keep on coming.
God Conquers Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 ermm, just to clarify... Arab is an ethnic, not religious group... there are tons of Christian Arabs... especially in NA.
Myles Domini Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4680948.stm"]Two Jordanian newspaper editors who published cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad have been arrested.[/url]
peacenluvbaby Posted February 5, 2006 Author Posted February 5, 2006 [quote name='Sojourner' date='Feb 4 2006, 02:56 PM']Apparently our local Muslims think the reaction abroad was "extreme." I say we give it a try and see if he's right! [right][snapback]875788[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Well, burning down Embassies in Syria does sound extreme. There was the added bonus that Muslim activists from Denmark were circulating 15, not 12 cartoons, and the extra 3 that had never been published or even made by the newspaper people depict Mohammed with a pig's nose (pork/pigs are unclean) and another shows pedophilia and the third shows a man raping a dog (or being raped...I didnt see them). If Christians were told that such cartoons - rape/pedophilia - were made about Jesus, we'd be a lot madder than just a bomb-turban one. So the strength of the reaction is partly due to misinformation provided by Muslim activists themselves. I heard this guy from the Danish Muslim group that circulated the cartoons in the Middle East, and he said "we never said that the other 3 were from the paper, we just wanted to show what kinds of things were being made about Muslims in Europe" but there is no proof that the last 3 extra-offensive ones were ever published or even made by Europeans..... I hate propaganda!!!!!! American, Muslim, European!!!!! Disinformation smells of elderberries!!!!!!!!! Peace!
Myles Domini Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 [quote name='musturde' date='Feb 4 2006, 04:28 PM']That's just peachy. They better not set up something similar to that in Lebanon. [right][snapback]875581[/snapback][/right] [/quote] [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3681938.stm"]Danish embassy in Beirut torched[/url]
Myles Domini Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 (edited) At last some MPs stand up and show that the pride of Great Britain has not been drained from the blood of this country. [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4682262.stm"]Cartoon protest slogans condemned [/url]. [img]http://www.eze-riviera.com/images/english_flag.gif[/img] [quote]O Lord, our God, arise, Scatter our enemies, And make them fall. Confound their politics, Frustrate their knavish tricks, On thee our hopes we fix: God save us all. --Verse II, British Anthem[/quote] Edited February 5, 2006 by Myles
cmotherofpirl Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 Its sad where governments are terrified of their own people.
musturde Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 [quote name='Myles' date='Feb 5 2006, 04:42 AM'][url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/3681938.stm"]Danish embassy in Beirut torched[/url] [right][snapback]876162[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yeah, just great. I think it's more complicated than closedmindedness. Beiruts very open minded and if they were to protest it would have been fine. I think some of it may have to do with just messing with the stability of the country. [url="http://in.today.reuters.com/News/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-02-05T204847Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-235339-4.xml"]here's an article that shows it a bit better[/url] here are some valueble quotes from the article: "This has nothing to do with Islam at all," Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora told Future television. "Destabilising security and vandalism give a wrong image of Islam. Prophet Mohammad cannot be defended this way." On Sunday's violence in Beirut, Mohammad Rashid Qabani, Lebanon's top Sunni Muslim cleric, said no matter how strongly Muslims felt about the cartoons they must exercise restraint. "We don't want the expression of our condemnation (of the cartoons) to be used by some to portray a distorted image of Islam," he said. "Today is a big test for us. Let our expression of condemnation be according to the values of Islam." The world's leading Islamic body condemned the violence. "Overreactions surpassing the limits of peaceful democratic acts ... are dangerous and detrimental to the efforts to defend the legitimate case of the Muslim world," the 57-nation Organisation of the Islamic Conference said in a statement from its Secretary General Ekmelettin Ihsanoglu, adding: "(Ihsanoglu) expresses his disapproval over these regrettable and deplorable incidents."
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