cmotherofpirl Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 Muslims want to be treated as equals AND a protected class at the same time. You can't have it both ways.
Myles Domini Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 [quote name='musturde' date='Feb 5 2006, 02:52 PM']Yeah, just great. I think it's more complicated than closedmindedness. Beiruts very open minded and if they were to protest it would have been fine. I think some of it may have to do with just messing with the stability of the country. [url="http://in.today.reuters.com/News/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-02-05T204847Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-235339-4.xml"]here's an article that shows it a bit better[/url] here are some valueble quotes from the article: "This has nothing to do with Islam at all," Lebanese Prime Minister Fouad Siniora told Future television. "Destabilising security and vandalism give a wrong image of Islam. Prophet Mohammad cannot be defended this way." On Sunday's violence in Beirut, Mohammad Rashid Qabani, Lebanon's top Sunni Muslim cleric, said no matter how strongly Muslims felt about the cartoons they must exercise restraint. "We don't want the expression of our condemnation (of the cartoons) to be used by some to portray a distorted image of Islam," he said. "Today is a big test for us. Let our expression of condemnation be according to the values of Islam." The world's leading Islamic body condemned the violence. "Overreactions surpassing the limits of peaceful democratic acts ... are dangerous and detrimental to the efforts to defend the legitimate case of the Muslim world," the 57-nation Organisation of the Islamic Conference said in a statement from its Secretary General Ekmelettin Ihsanoglu, adding: "(Ihsanoglu) expresses his disapproval over these regrettable and deplorable incidents." [right][snapback]876226[/snapback][/right] [/quote] According to [url="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060205/ap_on_re_mi_ea/prophet_drawings_53;_ylt=AqLfwBERKKLigH6__xRHBzXbEfQA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl"]this article[/url] a Maronite Church was attacked with stones.
Myles Domini Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4683894.stm"]Embassy burning shocks Beirut residents [/url] Reaction from Lebanon
dspen2005 Posted February 5, 2006 Posted February 5, 2006 there is an element, at least by my estimation, of fundamental hostility on the part of Islam. This reaction towards a cartoon shows the immense irrational answers that Islam offers to its adherents.
Ash Wednesday Posted February 6, 2006 Posted February 6, 2006 Some muslim cleric (maybe he was moderate) said on the news that it's considered heresy and is an outrage only if the people publishing an image of Mohammed were muslim (which they obviously were not). He probably is speaking on behalf of a moderate group whose whole religion is being hijacked by extremists who still think like people in the middle ages. It would be unbelievably ironic if the muslims offended by the depiction of mohammed as a terrorist are the same ones that hold signs up in the streets calling for more 9/11s and holocausts.
toledo_jesus Posted February 6, 2006 Posted February 6, 2006 Islam has been a pain in the butt for 1400 years now. I grow weary of it.
Ash Wednesday Posted February 6, 2006 Posted February 6, 2006 To be completely honest with you, I find myself feeling the same way at times, and to my own surprise find myself feeling a certain amount of anger towards Islam and even Muslims. It concerns me though, and it's not really something I'm happy about, because I question whether or not that is sinful, and I also have a really good friend who is a muslim (well, a very secularized, non-practicing one that likes cheap non-halal meat, sausage and bacon, smoking cigarettes, alcohol and Christmas) He is one of the most wonderful and generous people I've ever known. He is technically muslim, but he feels that Islam is screwing itself over.
God Conquers Posted February 6, 2006 Posted February 6, 2006 Actually Ash, the opposite is true in your above post about blasphemy. It is very western/Christian to say blasphemy only applies to those who believe. Whoever you saw on TV must be a VERY progressive muslim. Most muslims see infedels (nonbelievers) as having a less-than-human social status. We see this clearly in historical treatment of "others" within muslim societies and even in their treatment of other muslim sects (each other). A muslim's culpability for blasphemy is muted because hey are a chosen one, already part of the way of Islam. It's not looked well upon but it is not as big a deal as we see in this vase. Whereas, when a non-muslim blasphemes, it is far far worse, because, to them we are already infidels and so defiling their god or their prophet is much worse. It is the reverse of Christians, who should probably be more outraged when blasphemy happens, but we let people off the hook if they do not believe... ignorance of God makes them incapable of sinning against Him. The wierdest thing is that there are tons of pictures of Mohammed out there. Muslims in the middle ages made sacred art, and their are alot of non-muslim depictions too.
PadreSantiago Posted February 6, 2006 Posted February 6, 2006 (edited) [img]http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/179/peacemarch2xe.jpg[/img] [img]http://michellemalkin.com/archives/images/911euro.jpg[/img] [img]http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ta/2006/ta060203.gif[/img] Edited February 6, 2006 by PadreSantiago
Guest Rick777 Posted February 6, 2006 Posted February 6, 2006 They are literally crying for murder. Bloody murder..........its sad.
toledo_jesus Posted February 6, 2006 Posted February 6, 2006 hence the weary french smiley. It ees all so...how you say? ah yes...retarded
Myles Domini Posted February 6, 2006 Posted February 6, 2006 [url="http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/02/06/cartoon.iran.reut/"]Iranians target Austrian Embassy[/url]
Didacus Posted February 6, 2006 Posted February 6, 2006 1. I don't care what Ilsam satnds for or how thery word it; killing and commiting hateful crimes in reaction to cartoons cannot be justified. 2. On a different note, we could learn ourselves about the sanctity that ilsam is giving their prophet and maybe we should try to uphold such a sanctity ourselves; though lets not take it to violent extremes.
dandy777 Posted February 6, 2006 Posted February 6, 2006 [quote name='Sojourner' date='Feb 2 2006, 02:35 PM']That's why they have all the beautiful non-pictoral designs on mosques. [right][snapback]872765[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That is true...however don't forget that they use inscriptions. I guess no-one burned down any embassies when German newspapers showed a Rottweiler picture when Pope Ben was elected! I believe that all these riots are just fruit of intolerance and ignorance!
LSW Posted February 6, 2006 Posted February 6, 2006 You know there is a part of me that's actually kind of glad that the Muslims are reacting like this. Maybe Europe will now come together and fight against the true enemy that is radical Islam.
musturde Posted February 6, 2006 Posted February 6, 2006 [quote name='Myles' date='Feb 5 2006, 12:37 PM'][url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4683894.stm"]Embassy burning shocks Beirut residents [/url] Reaction from Lebanon [right][snapback]876366[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That's very complex. Most of the protestors were Syrians or Palestinians. They attacked Churches and Christians too. This is just to make Lebanon unstable and cause another war so that Syria can come back into Lebanon. [b]Religious Leaders in lebanon Condemned the attack (Christian and Muslim).[/b] [url="http://lebaneselobby.org/News__index/news%202006/02%2006%2006%20Leading%20religious%20figures%20condemn%20riots.htm"]http://lebaneselobby.org/News__index/news%...emn%20riots.htm[/url] [b]Lebanon Apologizes to Denmark[/b] [url="http://lebaneselobby.org/News__index/news%202006/02%2006%2006%20Lebanon%20apologizes%20to%20Denmark.htm"]http://lebaneselobby.org/News__index/news%...o%20Denmark.htm[/url] The Government has apologized and sought to punish the people who did this (they were arrested). Many Sunni Muslims were ticked off because they don't approve of the fire. People knew there was a protest but no one knew a group of Palestinians and Syrians (a small amount of the People were actually Lebanese) would start something like this.
musturde Posted February 6, 2006 Posted February 6, 2006 [quote name='LSW' date='Feb 6 2006, 02:20 PM']You know there is a part of me that's actually kind of glad that the Muslims are reacting like this. Maybe Europe will now come together and fight against the true enemy that is radical Islam. [right][snapback]877517[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Are you asking for yet another World War?
musturde Posted February 6, 2006 Posted February 6, 2006 The good thing is that Christians didn't fight back when the Palestinians and Syrians (and the small amount of fake Lebanese) vandalized the Churches and attacked random Christians. If they did, something worse may have happened (which is most likely the reason for the attacks in the first place). [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4683894.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4683894.stm[/url] Rana, a sports teacher, says she was protesting peacefully with her friends in front of the embassy when trouble broke out. "There were two protests. The first one, that we were on, was peaceful. Then the others came. "They started to throw tear gas. We were all crying like babies and choking. Boys started throwing rocks - we ran," she said. "I went to protest in support of my religion, I was surprised that this happened. "If I was a Christian I would be very upset with Muslims [about the damage to cars and a church], but they have to believe it was not us," she continued. "I am not afraid about the future, I have faith in my country. We have to have confidence in each other." [color=green] Bilal Daibo was out for lunch in the centre of Beirut soon after the protests. Bilal Daibo, Muslim, English teacher I am boycotting Danish products: Bilal Daibo "Whether what was done was by Lebanese Muslims or outsiders, those who did it were hooligans," he said. "I would say I speak for 95% of the Sunni Muslim population when I say we are against any sort of destruction in Lebanon, against Muslims or Christians. "It was an uncivilised act by a small group of people," he added. "On the other hand, I think I speak for 95% of the Muslim population when I say we are against what the newspaper did - not only against Muhammad - if it was against Jesus it would be the same. "I don't think there is much point in going on protests, but I am boycotting Danish products." [/color] There are more interviews on the link from Christians who witnessed it and Muslims who were peacefully protesting. Thank you Myles for posting that link earlier.
RandomProddy Posted February 7, 2006 Posted February 7, 2006 [quote name='musturde' date='Feb 4 2006, 05:22 PM']Also last I heard the EU was going to punish Saudi if it didnt stop the protests and the boycott. [right][snapback]875575[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Nooes, hope not, we have too many oil - for - arms deals with them.
Luthien Posted February 7, 2006 Posted February 7, 2006 [img]http://cagle.com/news/Muhammad/images/signe5.jpg[/img]
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