Who is the Greatest Church Scholar

[Justin86]

Oh never mind. You used his full name. So sue me people, I don't know C. S Lewis' full name.

Meh, he was cool, but he was a Protestant wasn't he? Good 'ol C of E, God Save the Queen type, no?

[apparent]

Protestants are (good) people too

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='apparent' post='1541549' date='May 25 2008, 09:52 AM']Protestants are (good) people too[/quote]
Yes, they are people, and most are only material, and not formal, heretics.

[jeffpugh]

May have been said already, but hot stuff's not on the list. I'm sad.

[apparent]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1541718' date='May 25 2008, 02:40 PM']Yes, they are people, and most are only material, and not formal, heretics.

[/quote] In the case of CS Lewis, for instance, your condemnation, of "heretic" hardly fits.

Enlighten me, please

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='apparent' post='1542093' date='May 25 2008, 05:28 PM']In the case of CS Lewis, for instance, your condemnation, of "heretic" hardly fits.

Enlighten me, please[/quote]
A material heretic is not culpable for his heresy, because he did not choose to become a heretic. While, on the other hand, a formal heretic is a person who by an act of his will embraces heresy, and because he chooses error over the truth he is culpable for his heresy.

I myself, because I was raised from childhood as a Protestant, was a material heretic, but by the grace of God I converted to Catholicism at the age of 25.

[apparent]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1542107' date='May 25 2008, 08:40 PM']A material heretic is not culpable for his heresy, because he did not choose to become a heretic. While, on the other hand, a formal heretic is a person who by an act of his will embraces heresy, and because he chooses error over the truth he is culpable for his heresy.

I myself, because I was raised from childhood as a Protestant, was a material heretic, but by the grace of God I converted to Catholicism at the age of 25.[/quote]

And if the Protestant, “CS Lewis” inspirers my Christian understanding, does that make me a heretic too?

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='apparent' post='1542188' date='May 25 2008, 06:11 PM']And if the Protestant, “CS Lewis” inspirers my Christian understanding, does that make me a heretic too?[/quote]
No, and why would that follow from anything that I have said so far in this thread?

To become a heretic you have to embrace heresy.

[apparent]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1541718' date='May 25 2008, 02:40 PM']Yes, they are people, and most are only material, and not formal, heretics.

[/quote]
this one

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='apparent' post='1542284' date='May 25 2008, 07:18 PM']this one[/quote]
That was just a simple statement of fact. Protestantism is a heresy, and so those who follow it are either material or formal heretics.

[apparent]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1542291' date='May 25 2008, 10:20 PM']That was just a simple statement of fact. Protestantism is a heresy, and so those who follow it are either material or formal heretics.[/quote]

It sounds a little harsh when you put it that way.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='apparent' post='1542306' date='May 25 2008, 07:31 PM']It sounds a little harsh when you put it that way.[/quote]
Harsh or not, it is the truth. I converted to Catholicism once I realized that Protestantism is a heresy.

[picchick]

[u][i][b]I[/b][/i][/u] am the greatest Church Scholar on phatmass.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='picchick' post='1542318' date='May 25 2008, 07:36 PM'][u][i][b]I[/b][/i][/u] am the greatest Church Scholar on phatmass.[/quote]
And also the most humble!

[picchick]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1542319' date='May 25 2008, 09:37 PM']And also the most humble!

[/quote]



Totally.

Edited May 26, 2008 by picchick

[Justin86]

[quote name='apparent' post='1541549' date='May 26 2008, 01:52 AM']Protestants are (good) people too[/quote]
Except we weren't debating who's who on the list of the Good People of the World, you brought his name up in a debate over who is the Greatest Church Scholar. Since he was not a Catholic I don't think you have much of a case.

[quote name='apparent' post='1542306' date='May 26 2008, 11:31 AM']It sounds a little harsh when you put it that way.[/quote]
The word "heretic" only has negative connotations because our society is so obsessed with the dictatorship of relativism we can no longer stand anyone telling anyone else they are wrong. Once you realize that there is only one God, and therefore there can ultimately only be one truth you start not taking as much of offense to the word.

Edited May 26, 2008 by Justin86

[Justin86]

[quote name='picchick' post='1542318' date='May 26 2008, 11:36 AM'][u][i][b]I[/b][/i][/u] am the greatest Church Scholar on phatmass.[/quote]
Meh, I still sent you in exile to Jupiter. Have fun over there.

[apparent]

CS Lewis is a great Church Scholar, nonetheless

[Justin86]

Only if you're referring to the Church of England. Not to any other church.

[Apotheoun]

The "Church of England" is not a true particular Church; instead, it is what is called an [i]ecclesial community[/i].