Questions for Trads

[Resurrexi]

[quote]Are bishops obligated to obey the pope? (Specifically, regarding episcopal ordinations.)
Is the Norvus Ordo mass valid?
If it's not, how is it that the Holy Spirit let the magisterium switch to an invalid mass?[/quote]

yes, bishops must obey the Pope unless he tells them to do something wrong

The Novus Mass is valid if it is said by an ordaind male priest who has the right intent and uses the correct matter and does everything as GIRM directs him to.

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[son_of_angels]

Most of your questions are non-applicable to me, though I consider myself a traditionalist.

What do I mean by that?

First the non-negotiables: a) We participate in a "communion of saints" that exists throughout, and outside of, time through the eternal life given by Christ. B) We are a Church which acknowledges the development of doctrine out of the "depositum fidei." C) Scripture has equal strength with Sacred Tradition (although in fact dependent- since the Scriptural canon derived itself from tradition). D) The Church in Jesus Christ is the only means by which man may be saved.

Now here is why I consider myself a "traditionalist." 1) I believe that to cultivate a healthy knowledge of the saints which comprise our Western tradition, we must speak, to the greatest extent possible, the same liturgical and spiritual "language" referring especially to the liturgy. I believe that this is part of developing a "communion" faith. 2.) I believe that the Tridentine is the most poignant reminder, and living reality of the Roman Rite as it has been received, whereas I think the Novus Ordo is of a character which demands more careful attention in order to manifest that same reality. To be more concrete, the Novus Ordo is not a "received" rite at all, but a fabrication, at times sublime, and always important as the Roman liturgy, but imperfect in this respect. 3) I believe that the way in which we present the Gospel should not leave us uprooted from the past. There has always been room for Hellfire and Brimstone, and even for a sacred exclusivism that emphasizes we are a "mystery" religion. 4) I think that vestments, architecture, and the whole range of Catholic expressions of faith, should at all costs be preserved, so that our religion may not be said to be only "of the times" but, rather "timeless."

So, this is my reason for naming myself a "traditionalist."

[Balthazor]

As far as I am concerned Benedict XVI is my pope..
.however there are people who remain Catholic but have not recognized the past 5 popes they have kinda branched out and are now floating out in left field... I think these guys are to whom the original question was asked.

So for them this Guy is the Pope [url="http://www.truecatholic.org/pope/"]http://www.truecatholic.org/pope/[/url]

[Resurrexi]

I dislike anti-Pope Pius XIII greatly for he stole my future Papal name and bastardized it.

[Balthazor]

You plan on becoming pope?
That is very ambitious.

[Resurrexi]

it's one of my many dreams...

[Era Might]

"Are you able to drink the cup that I am to drink?"

[Balthazor]

Why do you want to be pope?
It has got to be one of the most demanding jobs in the world, you are respondsible for so many people, millions.
One would have to be crazy to desire to be pope.

[son_of_angels]

You know, I think every guy has a "pope name" he would take upon his elevation to the Holy See...

Mine's either Boniface X or Innocent XIV, after two of my favorites, Boniface VIII and Innocent III. I have always felt that "Unam Sanctam" is one of the most important and meaningful papal encyclicals I've read. Here at college, Innocent III has kind of a private devotion around him.

[Balthazor]

Hmmm...ya think?

I don't know....I suppose as a woman I can not indulge in that fantasy.

I dream about whether I will wear a suit or a gown when I am inagurated......

[Resurrexi]

don't you mean coronated?

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='StThomasMore' date='Apr 9 2006, 11:35 PM']I dislike anti-Pope Pius XIII greatly for he stole my future Papal name and bastardized it.
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Only humble men have even the slightest chance of becoming Pope. Anyone who shows even a hint of desire will not be chosen.

[Resurrexi]

oh, come on. It's every unmarried male Catholic's fantasy.

[zunshynn]

Okay here's the thing EENs, you just said [quote]my belief is different protestants because i believe that Benedict XVI is the Vicar of Christ on Earth. I am part of the same church as you. Trads do not reject the Magesterium of the church. Just the novelties taught becasue of the "spirit of Vatican II" [/quote]

The MAGISTERIUM is the TEACHING OFFICE of the Catholic Church. The Magisterium consists of the Pope and the bishops in union with him. The Magisterium cannot "teach novelties." That whole thing Jesus promised about the Gates of Hell not prevailing against it, yes? Are you seeing the oxymoron yet?

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='StThomasMore' date='Apr 10 2006, 10:03 PM']oh, come on. It's every unmarried male Catholic's fantasy.
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There is a difference between a fantasy and actually desiring. it.

Yes, I think it would be really cool to be Pope. However, I would not actually want to be Pope. Too difficult of a job, plus I am a very insufficient tool for God.

[Balthazor]

[quote name='StThomasMore' date='Apr 10 2006, 08:02 PM']don't you mean coronated?
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No, I mean inaugarated...
I am a girl. I can not entertain fantasies about becoming Pope. And I will not entertain such foolish thoughts. I also will never be coronated because I do not dream or getting married to royalty.
I can however dream of becoming president of the US or being elected to public office.

[Era Might]

[quote name='fidei defensor' date='Apr 10 2006, 11:02 PM']Only humble men have even the slightest chance of becoming Pope. Anyone who shows even a hint of desire will not be chosen.
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You underestimate curial politics.

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But he's an American. How many Popes will there be before he dies? MAYBE 5, and that's being generous. I don't see the Papacy going to an American anytime soon.

[Cam42]

[quote name='StThomasMore' date='Apr 10 2006, 11:03 PM']oh, come on. It's every unmarried male Catholic's fantasy.
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Nope, not mine. I have never once wondered what it would like to be Pope. I don't have that kind of spiritual fortitude, nor am I even remotely holy or smart enough to be able to accomplish that.

I have never wanted to be Pope. I have only wanted to fulfill my vocation. That is up to God, not me.

[Theoketos]

It freaks me out to even be within 100 yards of the Pope. I go into tears, fearing for his soul, and mine, and all those who watch him. Being the Pope has so much responsiblity that I am stunned writing about it.

[Theoketos]

I think that StThomasMoore is a troll that is purposely making both traditional Catholics and even sedevacents look bad.