Hindu Masses are really happening...

[chris]

[quote]Sheesh. The nonsense you people believe staggers the imagination. Honestly.[/quote]

What about you mac?

Why do you care about what we believe in? Does it really bother you that much?

[quote]Right now, today, this afternoon, there are 100,000,000 evangelical/pentecostal chinese REAL CHRISTIANS. [/quote]

The ones rolling in the aisels speaking tounges? Oh yeah thats them alright.

Its so amazing that you can total that number right then and there with out any proof. WOW!

Oh yeah the, 100,000 pentacostal and the other 999,999 alternating protestant denominations that believe they can condem a protestant to an eternity in hell because of infiltrating a little culture into the mass...Do I agree with budda statues in the House of God? NO WAY the same way with Vishnu. But in these photos you shown all you see is three women doing a dance!!! THATS IT!! You are trying soo hard to pull something outta nothing...

And again my simple questions have gone unanswered...So again I will ask

Why do you guys honestly care?

Why (since you arent Catholic) want to know all this stuff?

Are you doing this just to pick a fight and point out faults? Because, thats just as unchristian as worhsipin Vishnu in a Catholic mass.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Budge' post='1045485' date='Aug 17 2006, 02:04 PM']
The Catholic church did not write the Bible.
[/quote]

Then how did we get it as it is today? Did it just drop down out of the sky and hit Joey Bagadonuts on the head?


Look, if there was invocation to Hindu false "gods", it was wrong and the offending clergy should be disciplined. I'm not the only one here that has said that. But there's one other trait of Christianity that committed Catholics practice: we like to get our facts straight before lobbing accusations against people. "Thou shall have no other gods beside me" is accompanied by "Thou shalt not bear false witness" in the Decalogue.

[Budge]

[quote]
Look, if there was invocation to Hindu false "gods", it was wrong and the offending clergy should be disciplined. I'm not the only one here that has said that.[u] But there's one other trait of Christianity that committed Catholics practice: we like to get our facts straight before lobbing accusations against people[/u]. "Thou shall have no other gods beside me" is accompanied by "Thou shalt not bear false witness" in the Decalogue.
[/quote]

No, you just give the men in silk endless wiggleroom so even if they are doing the most outrageous things, you will excuse them in your mind, and think oh they didnt really mean to pray to Allah, Ganesha or whatever else they were up to.

I think its sad that blind obedience that is so paramount in Catholicism where offront to these universalistic bishops and Cardinals comes way before offense to Jesus Christ by their worship of other gods.

Even photographic evidence isnt enough for you folks.

I believe now and Ive said this before, a Pope could pray to Satan say "HAIL SATAN" on live international TV, with a Pentagram backdrop, and every Catholic on Phatmass would be yelling at the mean fundies who post and warn about it and making every excuse in the book.

[OLAM Dad]

[quote name='Budge' post='1045473' date='Aug 17 2006, 01:47 PM']
[img]http://www.cfnews.org/Our%20Father.jpg[/img]
[/quote]

Thanks for the post Budge, this really is scandalous. Seriously. Look at that altar boy. He's wearing RUNNING SHOES to Mass. I can't believe it!

[Resurrexi]

There are also no altar rails! **gasp** and look at the altar... its versus poplum **gasps again** and the priests aren't wearing the right vestments for that part of the Mass **gasps a third time** and, O GOD IN HEAVEN! the tabernacle isn't velied!!!! **dies of horror**

[Budge]

Who cares about those externals?



Read the text they were praying to Hindu gods and doing Hindu rituais.

But I guess the First Commandment doesnt mean anything around here does it?

[Resurrexi]

Yes, I know. Hinduism is evil and Hindus adore Satan incarnate. What went on there was a mortal sin of idolatry if they actually did Hundu prayers, and if not, it was a mortal sin of sacrilige of litrugical abuse becuase the Holy Mass was profaned by liturgical dance, which the evil of evils, because dancing is irreverant and sexual. The prists who participated in this should be excommunicated and defrocked, &c., &c., &c.

[Budge]

ok thanks for admitting that Hinduism is a false and evil religion.

[Eutychus]

[quote]And again my simple questions have gone unanswered...So again I will ask

Why do you guys honestly care?

Why (since you arent Catholic) want to know all this stuff? [/quote]

Misplaced loyalty?
[u][b]
For me it is ACTS 1:8[/b][/u]

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Budge' post='1045926' date='Aug 18 2006, 08:00 AM']
No, you just give the men in silk endless wiggleroom so even if they are doing the most outrageous things, you will excuse them in your mind, and think oh they didnt really mean to pray to Allah, Ganesha or whatever else they were up to.

I think its sad that blind obedience that is so paramount in Catholicism where offront to these universalistic bishops and Cardinals comes way before offense to Jesus Christ by their worship of other gods.
[/quote]

So, in order to prove that we are not giving "endless wiggleroom" should we lob what could be false accusations in violation of "Thou shalt not bear false witness"? YES OR NO - DON'T WAIT FOR THE TRANSLATION!


[quote name='Budge' post='1045926' date='Aug 18 2006, 08:00 AM']
Even photographic evidence isnt enough for you folks.
[/quote]

And did we not prove one case (the supposed "mark of Shiva" on John Paul 2's head) may NOT have been that? Again, false accusations are a sin, too.

[quote name='Budge' post='1045926' date='Aug 18 2006, 08:00 AM']
I believe now and Ive said this before, a Pope could pray to Satan say "HAIL SATAN" on live international TV, with a Pentagram backdrop, and every Catholic on Phatmass would be yelling at the mean fundies who post and warn about it and making every excuse in the book.
[/quote]

We'll worry about that when it occurs.

[HollyDolly]

Well<i don't know the source for the photos,but i do think that introducing such native features into the mass are wrong.They should stick to the Holymass as it is.If these people don't like it,then they can go back to their pagan ways.
St.Charles Lwanga and the Martyers of Uganda ,the Martyers of Japan,and other such holy saints died for the Catholic Faith,for Jesus whom they refused to renounce.
I know Budge is trying to convert people and bring them to the other side,but certainly we as Catholics should be concerned
about what's going on.We should preach to them the Holy Gospel of Jesus to these people,and try to show them in word and deed who wonderful He is,so they will abandoned completely their false gods.

[Budge]

[quote]I know Budge is trying to convert people and bring them to the other side,but certainly we as Catholics should be concerned
about what's going on.We should preach to them the Holy Gospel of Jesus to these people,and try to show them in word and deed who wonderful He is,so they will abandoned completely their false gods.[/quote]

Holly thank you for your more fair response.

Holly I am an ex-Catholic and also used to be an Unitarian Universalist. I couldnt accept universalism once I was a Christian, that isnt the only reason I left the Catholic Church, but it was one of the big ones.

Im glad you at least admit this is wrong...sadly the majority of Catholics have gotten more angry at me for talking about these things, then being angry at those who forsake Jesus Christ for other gods. I see how even Trad Catholics are treated on most Novus Orod boards for bringing these issues up.

[ruso]

[quote name='OLAM Dad' post='1045963' date='Aug 18 2006, 04:25 PM']
Thanks for the post Budge, this really is scandalous. Seriously. Look at that altar boy. He's wearing RUNNING SHOES to Mass. I can't believe it!
[/quote]

Budge, you have seen a mass of natives-American?. I believe that were the Zuñis, catholics since the arrival of the Spaniards.
They respond to the church with their traditional suits, and even they dance. Those masses are recognized by the church, if you see it do the hara-kiri.

Edited August 19, 2006 by ruso

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Budge' post='1046218' date='Aug 18 2006, 04:23 PM']
Holly thank you for your more fair response.

Holly I am an ex-Catholic and also used to be an Unitarian Universalist. I couldnt accept universalism once I was a Christian, that isnt the only reason I left the Catholic Church, but it was one of the big ones.

Im glad you at least admit this is wrong...sadly the majority of Catholics have gotten more angry at me for talking about these things, then being angry at those who forsake Jesus Christ for other gods. I see how even Trad Catholics are treated on most Novus Orod boards for bringing these issues up.
[/quote]

Funny how you get it wrong every time. No one is annoyed at you for what you post, nobody has said any abberation from rubrics or commandments etc should be going on. what we have said is that abberations are simply that- things done the wrong way OR you misinterpreting what is actually happening.
They don't constitute the teachings of the Catholic Church, and that is the bottom line of the discussion.

[Budge]

Whats on the books isnt going to keep anyone from going to hell as they march on the well-worn path to the antichrist.

I look at what a church DOES, not just its official teachings. Im sure even Benny Hinn looks good via the paperwork.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Budge' post='1046540' date='Aug 20 2006, 06:50 AM']
Whats on the books isnt going to keep anyone from going to hell as they march on the well-worn path to the antichrist.

I look at what a church DOES, not just its official teachings. Im sure even Benny Hinn looks good via the paperwork.
[/quote]
So you want to play a new game?

Interesting that you feel qualified to judge others...
Ah so we should base our opinions of generic christians like you on what generic christians do??
So who was the guy who committed mass murder of his followers and was a christian?
they swallowed kool-aide laced with poison

[homeschoolmom]

Oh... oh! Pick me, pick me! I know, I know!!!

[Budge]

Im glad you brought up Jim Jones.

Why?

Because all cults have one man in charge that isnt to be questioned. They all have that in common.

[u]a man with supreme ultimate authority, that no one can question who cannot be held accountable.[/u]

So now in the Catholic Church, we have a man in silk claiming God is in false religions and that interreligious dialogue is the way to go, even though the Bible says otherwise, you folks follow him and those who work for him without question.

Jim Jones made his poor deluded people call him FATHER too. {Just like the Pope is called Holy Father} All these cults ignore the teachings of Jesus--Call no man Father.

Cults all have many things in common across the board.

[img]http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/AboutJonestown/Gallery/G4/images/01-jones-jim.jpg[/img]

And if you consider ultra-liberal NWO-supporting, demon-possessed, Jim Jones to be a GENERIC Christian you are VERY CONFUSED.

[jswranch]

[quote name='Budge' post='1045680' date='Aug 17 2006, 05:18 PM']
So you think its ok they did worship to Shiva during this Mass?
[/quote]
I'm sorry, I do not see where they are worshiping Shiva in your first article.

I see:
[quote]Before the washing of the hands, Father D’Sa performed a superstitious ritual, offering blue and red flowers to the “eight directions of the world”. He said the flowers symbolized those present who were from different cultures and traditions, hoping for unity. However, in the regular Hindu ritual, flowers are offered to the gods of the eight directions, honoring the eight aspects of the god Shiva.[/quote]

However, the comments about Shiva are additions placed there by the commentator, not the priest. In spreading Christianity, there is a difference between integrating beliefs and integrating culture. Here the priest is integrating culture. The article commentator claims he is integrating beliefs. I am sure the priest would be appalled to hear folks believe he is integrating paganism.

[Budge]

[quote]QUOTE
Before the washing of the hands, Father D’Sa performed a superstitious ritual, offering blue and red flowers to the “eight directions of the world”. He said the flowers symbolized those present who were from different cultures and traditions, hoping for unity. However, in the regular Hindu ritual, flowers are offered to the gods of the eight directions, honoring the eight aspects of the god Shiva.


However, the comments about Shiva are additions placed there by the commentator, not the priest. In spreading Christianity, there is a difference between integrating beliefs and integrating culture. Here the priest is integrating culture. The article commentator claims he is integrating beliefs. I am sure the priest would be appalled to hear folks believe he is integrating paganism.
[/quote]

So can you tell me what the EIGHT DIRECTIONS OF THE WORLD are then?

It seems you are utterly desperate to make excuses and deny what has happened.

This priest like it or not, if you know anything about comparative religions and Mystery Babylon, paid homage to demons and false gods, via sun worship.

[img]http://shopping.bhaskar.com/images/prodimg/large/PSA098_1lg.jpg[/img]


[quote]
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[/quote]

I think its time to get on the clue bus and realize this had nothing to do with "Christianity"