Pacifists

[catholicinsd]

I know I am, how about you?

[ardillacid]

No.

[catholicinsd]

So you go againist the Church teaching of turning the other cheek? Nice.

Edited February 2, 2007 by catholicinsd

[ardillacid]

dude, open up your Catechism of the Church

Edited February 2, 2007 by Era Might

[catholicinsd]

[quote name='notardillacid' post='1182799' date='Feb 1 2007, 11:21 PM']
dude, open up your Catechism of the Church
[/quote]

Open your Bible, and stop the profanity.

[desertwoman]

Yes, I am

[eilis]

I absolutely am.

[goldenchild17]

I would consider myself one but according to many hot topics I probably wouldn't fit into that category, so I'd say probably not so much.

[heavenseeker]

voted not so much though i normaly am. i guess it depends on the issue and how strictly you define it.

[catholicinsd]

We must remember two of the most popular titles of Jesus and Mary are Prince and Queen of Peace.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

Peace in those titles does not refer to People on earth not killing each other. it refers to the Peace of Christ


anyway... i voted yes, because i do not believe in war unless specific requirements are met to make the war qualify as Just.

My pastor and i had a long conversation about this, and he informed me about how the doctrine of Just War developed with St. Augustine. it is been a part of the Church for almost 2000 years and can not be ignored. Sometimes wars must be fought to save lives.

At the same Time, i do not like the elitist attitude that pacifists have...The catechism makes it quite clear that, unfortunately, there are times when war is necessary.

[RezaMikhaeil]

I am most of the time, but I'm also not afraid to pass the fist to protect my family, etc. There's a time and a place for everything.

[MissScripture]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1182796' date='Feb 1 2007, 11:14 PM']
So you go againist the Church teaching of turning the other cheek? Nice.
[/quote]
You also forget the part where we have an obligation to protect the vulnerable.

[Anastasia13]

In as much as is up to me, I choose to live in peace. In as much as is not up to me, I will defend life.

[Aloysius]

true pacifism is incompatible with Christianity and the Scriptures. To believe in full pacifism, one denies the possibility that war can ever be justified; this is contrary to the doctrine of Christ.

Christ said that those who live by the sword die by the sword, and instructed His Apostles that defending themself, especially from a non-life-threatening strike in the cheek, is foolish. One ought to turn the other cheek, which was considered an insult in those days; the equivalent of "is that all you got?"

But he commanded His apostles that if they did not have a sword, they should sell their cloak and buy one. He clearly believed in using weapons for self-defense and/or the defense of the innocent, He simply said that one should not live by the sword. In the Old Testament, God sanctioned war. We have the selfsame God, He has not changed (for He does not change).

Christ did not come to bring peace, but a sword of divisiveness: the children of the light against the children of darkness. He did not command non-violence, nor did He believe in it. He was the incarnation of the God who commanded war in the Old Testament.

The doctrine of the Church is clear: one should never provoke war and bloodshed, but if it comes it is the sacred duty of Christian rulers to defend their own homelands and the innocent.

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote]Peace in those titles does not refer to People on earth not killing each other. it refers to the Peace of Christ[/quote]

While I believe that 'blessed are the peacemakers' is nowhere near the same thing as 'blessed are the pacifists', that doesn't mean that wanton violence and the Peace of Christ are compatible because they're dealing in different 'kinds' of peace. That's a tortured piece of legalism.

In answer to the poll, I follow the Just War Theory of Thomas Aquinas. I agree with what LightandTruth has already said.

[avemaria40]

I believe that true pacifism is incompatible with Christianity because that means we couldn't fight to protect the poor and vulnerable. I believe violence for the sake of violence is wrong, but if someone dared to hurt an innocent person and I caught them doing that, I would use everything I learned in kickboxing on that person.

Sometimes war could be a good thing. It was war that made us free and that continues to keep us free. It was war that made slaves free people. And it was because we won a war that the horrific Holocaust came to an end.

[ReinnieR]

NO

[Didymus]

no way

[SJRod55]

I am afraid I have seen way too much violence of all sorts in my life and travels to accept any of it. I pray for the day the Meek shall inherit the Earth.