Pacifists

[catholicinsd]

The Peace of Christ can never be felt as long as Wars are fought.

[MissScripture]

But it can never be felt if we all stand around watching evil take over, either.

[catholicinsd]

[quote name='MissScripture' post='1182977' date='Feb 2 2007, 09:37 AM']
But it can never be felt if we all stand around watching evil take over, either.
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But we must remember there are many ways of conquering evil, other than war.

[homeschoolmom]

So, how would you have suggested dealing with the Nazis?

[catholicinsd]

If we hadn't screwed the after-math of the First World War they wouldn't have been a problem

[homeschoolmom]

Okay... but suppose there was the problem... what would you do?

[catholicinsd]

There's this thing. It's called diplomacy. Use it.

[homeschoolmom]

"Gee Adolf, would you please stop killing the handicapped, Gypies and Jews? It's really a little uncivilized, don't you agree?"

[Didymus]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1183001' date='Feb 2 2007, 10:12 AM']
There's this thing. It's called diplomacy. Use it.
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I cant believe this argument still exists. Especially in this era when we're fighting religious fanatics all across the globe, many of whom are irrational. These aren't all civilized countries with proper foreign ministers. Many sects just hate us (America) just because we're American. What do you do to keep these people from trying to kill us?

[homeschoolmom]

Sit down and have coffee together, silly.

[Didymus]

No way am I leavin Chi-town for South dakota two days before the massacre of the Colts :

Edited February 2, 2007 by Didymus

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1183038' date='Feb 2 2007, 11:16 AM']
Sit down and have coffee together, silly.
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[quote name='Didymus' post='1183041' date='Feb 2 2007, 11:20 AM']
No way am I leavin Chi-town for South dakota two days before the massacre of the Colts :
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No, I meant, that's how you deal with people who hate us-- settle it over a nice Turkish coffee...

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote]There's this thing. It's called diplomacy. Use it.[/quote]

They tried that one. Neville Chamberlain, the then-Prime Minister of Britain, went for talks with Hitler in the aftermath of the annexation of German Sudetenland. He stepped off the plane bearing Hitler's written assurance that there were no plans to invade non-German territories and saying, "I have brought back peace in our time." Chamberlain's diplomatic skills postponed the war for a bit and bought Britain a little more time to prepare, but ultimately they failed. Following Hitler's sudden pounce on Poland, there was nothing his successor (Churchill) could do but declare war. Britain had promised to protect the Poles. Ringing up Hitler with an, "I say, Adolf, this is a bit steep. You did promise to let the non-German chappies alone, old chap" would not have worked. To say that there was any diplomatic route left is to show a gross ignorance of history.

[quote]Many sects just hate us (America) just because we're American.[/quote]

That's not totally true. When viewed from a distance, America does not always look attractive. I sometimes think that Americans don't quite realise what a bad reputation for corporate greed, cultural insensitivity, and general ignorance that the USA has abroad - even in supposed 'civilised countries'. And after spending a few years in an American-run school in the Hejaz, I can understand some of those criticisms. We were lucky if we got further than Mexico in 'world geography'.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1183117' date='Feb 2 2007, 01:13 PM'] Ringing up Hitler with an, "I say, Adolf, this is a bit steep. You did promise to let the non-German chappies alone, old chap" [/quote]
Somehow I just have a very hard time hearing Churchill say that... (Very humorously put, btw)

[Groo the Wanderer]

Not a bleeding heart lib that likes to have my rear kicked every chance I get, no.

I pray for peace constantly and try to foster it whenever I can. However, I am not a whipping boy and have the right to defend myself if and when it is necessary. Same for my family.

Peace is NOT the mere absence of violence and conflict. Peace without justice is not peace.

Your definition of pacifist would mean:
1. no protests at abortion clinics
2. allowing the home invader to murder your children, rape your wife, and steal your brisket from the fridge without lifting a finger to stop him
3. allowing Hitler, Pol Pot, Mussolini, Ghengis Khan, Saladin, et al to march unimpeded

So, no...I am not a pacifist.

[Didymus]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' post='1183124' date='Feb 2 2007, 01:24 PM']
and steal your brisket from the fridge without lifting a finger to stop him
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NO!!! not the corned beef!

[MissScripture]

[quote name='catholicinsd' post='1182996' date='Feb 2 2007, 10:06 AM']
If we hadn't screwed the after-math of the First World War they wouldn't have been a problem
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WE didn't screw up the aftermath of WWI.

[avemaria40]

It doesn't matter what happened after WWI, the main thing is, if we didn't fight and only used diplomacy, many more people would have died and Europe would have lived under tyranny. Hitler had to be stopped, he killed so many innocent people. Also, diplomacy hasn't really worked in the Middle East. Fanaticism, not reason, is what drives these horrible wars and attacks on innocent people over there.

I am usually against violence, but I am not opposed to using deadly force against evil actions. My boyfriend has told me that if someone were to ever hurt me, he would defend me, fighting them if necessary. Reason does not work when someone is driven towards violence, lust, etc. Force is sometimes required and I'd rather see people fighting for what is right, then avoiding confrontation and allowing evil to prevail.

St. Joan of Arc lead soldiers into battle to free France of English oppressors and she was canonized as the patron of soldiers. So it seems to me that our God is not opposed to violence as long as it is for the right reasons.

[Resurrexi]

Hell no

[catholicinsd]

[quote name='StThomasMore' post='1183635' date='Feb 3 2007, 02:33 AM']
Hell no
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Easy now kid.