jmjtina Posted March 9, 2007 Posted March 9, 2007 [quote name='Revprodeji' post='1211001' date='Mar 9 2007, 04:28 PM']No offense sir, but besides the conspricy theory things that everyone is going to blow off. What exactly did you find disturbing?[/quote] it was worth stating again! Let's start a new thread.
FullTruth Posted March 10, 2007 Author Posted March 10, 2007 [quote name='thessalonian' post='1210943' date='Mar 9 2007, 03:56 PM']Full Truth, Do you really have the full truth. Your name implies that you are infallible? I see on another thread you oppose all the Catholics on that thread. So apparently your using this arguement of yours that we are all fighting to silence those who oppose you. Nice tactic. Won't work on this board. The Catholics pretty much agree on this board. Those like you and Uribe and Budge come here to cause discord. That's okay. We want you around. But don't twist reality.[/quote] That's why I want to change it. It's not every day when you find out the modern day father of the pentecostal movement was a freemason. I would almost become a catholic because I know there is freemasonry ties with all religions of the world, but there is the paganism of Christmas, Easter, Halloween, and other 'holy'days that I don't want to touch.
N/A Gone Posted March 10, 2007 Posted March 10, 2007 instead of touching them, we could discuss them..
cmotherofpirl Posted March 10, 2007 Posted March 10, 2007 [quote name='FullTruth' post='1211092' date='Mar 9 2007, 10:46 PM']That's why I want to change it. It's not every day when you find out the modern day father of the pentecostal movement was a freemason. I would almost become a catholic because I know there is freemasonry ties with all religions of the world, but there is the paganism of Christmas, Easter, Halloween, and other 'holy'days that I don't want to touch.[/quote] Celebrating events in the Life of Christ is NOT pagan. Halloween btw, is not a holy day. Its the eve of celebrating all the saints in heaven. Even Jesus went to parties.
FullTruth Posted March 10, 2007 Author Posted March 10, 2007 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1211099' date='Mar 9 2007, 11:09 PM']Celebrating events in the Life of Christ is NOT pagan. Halloween btw, is not a holy day. Its the eve of celebrating all the saints in heaven. Even Jesus went to parties. [/quote] I agree there should be celebrations, like Pass over, and many other Judiacic festivals which we can follow. We can be at least certain that those holy days were instituted by God to celebrate his grace and his bounty.
jeffpugh Posted March 10, 2007 Posted March 10, 2007 - Off topic - Cmom, that avatar (as of March 9, 10:30 Eastern) is the one I was talking about earlier in the whole budge thread thing. I like it and I think it should stay /tangent FullTruth (or GodChaser if I may), I think we should lay all of our cards on the table here in this forum. I believe we can sort things out. What do you find 'sketchy' about Catholicism? That goes for all of those who are skeptical about the Church in some way. We want to know for everyone's sake.
cmotherofpirl Posted March 10, 2007 Posted March 10, 2007 [quote name='FullTruth' post='1211111' date='Mar 9 2007, 11:26 PM']I agree there should be celebrations, like Pass over, and many other Judiacic festivals which we can follow. We can be at least certain that those holy days were instituted by God to celebrate his grace and his bounty.[/quote] That would be fine if we were Jews, but as St Paul said we are not bound by the Old Covanent, we celebrate Christ.
FullTruth Posted March 10, 2007 Author Posted March 10, 2007 (edited) [quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1211115' date='Mar 9 2007, 11:36 PM']That would be fine if we were Jews, but as St Paul said we are not bound by the Old Covanent, we celebrate Christ.[/quote] Here's the $64,000 question, why can't I celebrate the Christ through the pass over, since he is the ultimate pass over, because the blood of the lamb now covers me from the destroyer? Edited March 10, 2007 by FullTruth
N/A Gone Posted March 10, 2007 Posted March 10, 2007 The passover and also the todah developed into the Eucharist. You are celebrating a holiday that has evolved and grown into something more and in the fullness of its intention
Sojourner Posted March 10, 2007 Posted March 10, 2007 [quote name='Revprodeji' post='1211185' date='Mar 10 2007, 12:21 AM']The passover and also the todah developed into the Eucharist. You are celebrating a holiday that has evolved and grown into something more and in the fullness of its intention[/quote] Hebrews addresses this change, how God replaced the old covenant with the new, and how the old became obsolete once it was fulfilled in Christ. The old celebrations contained symbology pointing forward to the coming of Christ. Now, we celebrate his arrival, his life, and we anticipate his return.
cmotherofpirl Posted March 10, 2007 Posted March 10, 2007 [quote name='FullTruth' post='1211126' date='Mar 9 2007, 11:45 PM']Here's the $64,000 question, why can't I celebrate the Christ through the pass over, since he is the ultimate pass over, because the blood of the lamb now covers me from the destroyer?[/quote] But you can, every Sunday or every daily Mass you attend, you can recieve the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ at Communion, just as HE promised in John 6.
thessalonian Posted March 11, 2007 Posted March 11, 2007 [quote name='FullTruth' post='1211126' date='Mar 9 2007, 10:45 PM']Here's the $64,000 question, why can't I celebrate the Christ through the pass over, since he is the ultimate pass over, because the blood of the lamb now covers me from the destroyer?[/quote] When the veil in the temple was torn at Jesus death, the Jewish passover died. There was no longer sacrifice and forgiveness of sin tied to it. There was the changing of the gaurd that Jesus spoke of in the parable in yesterdays readings about the steward of the vineyard, who the tenants beat and killed. Then he sent his don and they killed him and Jesus said when the owner of the vineyard came he was going to take away the vineyard from those wicked servants and give it over to a new group who would tend it. The scribes and pharasees, the Jewish leadership took this as directly against them and it was. When Jesus arose from the dead he gave his apostles the power to forgive sins and he gave the Eucharist. The new pascal sacrifice. That is why we do not celebrate the passover. It is over. The Eucharist is the passover and you can celebrate it daily in the Catholic Church if you like.
Akalyte Posted March 11, 2007 Posted March 11, 2007 [quote name='thessalonian' post='1211559' date='Mar 10 2007, 08:38 PM']When the veil in the temple was torn at Jesus death, the Jewish passover died. There was no longer sacrifice and forgiveness of sin tied to it. There was the changing of the gaurd that Jesus spoke of in the parable in yesterdays readings about the steward of the vineyard, who the tenants beat and killed. Then he sent his don and they killed him and Jesus said when the owner of the vineyard came he was going to take away the vineyard from those wicked servants and give it over to a new group who would tend it. The scribes and pharasees, the Jewish leadership took this as directly against them and it was. When Jesus arose from the dead he gave his apostles the power to forgive sins and he gave the Eucharist. The new pascal sacrifice. That is why we do not celebrate the passover. It is over. The Eucharist is the passover and you can celebrate it daily in the Catholic Church if you like.[/quote] Wow! You explained that very well! great job!
jeffpugh Posted March 11, 2007 Posted March 11, 2007 So GodChaser, come home to the Church. The wicked tenants are gone!
Budge Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 (edited) [quote]There are real enemies to humanity who want us all to be fractured from each other, so they can continue their plans and rule over humanity. We are all falling into their trap.[/quote] Im going to be *fractured* and follow what Jesus taught in the Bible. [b]Luk 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? [u]I tell you, Nay; but rather division:[/u][/b] Edited March 14, 2007 by Budge
jeffpugh Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 [quote name='Budge' post='1213275' date='Mar 13 2007, 09:43 PM']Im going to be *fractured* and follow what Jesus taught in the Bible. [b]Luk 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? [u]I tell you, Nay; but rather division:[/u][/b][/quote] Don't take that out of context! He was talking about families and communities that would be broken because of believes springing up amongst pagans and unbelieving Jews. I do not think Jesus meant "spit in my Apostles' successors' faces and disobey them". He mean that people would struggle with the ones they love. Like my position... where I am the only Catholic in my family and the others either don't care or worship according to a false prophet. My brother is coming around though...
FullTruth Posted March 14, 2007 Author Posted March 14, 2007 [quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1213280' date='Mar 13 2007, 10:50 PM']Don't take that out of context! He was talking about families and communities that would be broken because of believes springing up amongst pagans and unbelieving Jews. I do not think Jesus meant "spit in my Apostles' successors' faces and disobey them". He mean that people would struggle with the ones they love. Like my position... where I am the only Catholic in my family and the others either don't care or worship according to a false prophet. My brother is coming around though...[/quote] Don't listen to Budge. I'm tired of him/her/it. He/her/it is oh so haughty and arrogant. Defintely a Pharissee during Jesus' Time. He/her/it is someone I would say who has a religious demon attached to them. He/her/it doesn't know the simplicity of Christ. He/her/it actaully denies the pleasure of the fellowship of all believers. I could go into any church, praise and worship God there without a sweat and fellowship because I know they are my brothers and sisters in Christ. That is why I am so non-denominational. I don't want a single organization, I want no organization.
jeffpugh Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 (edited) Well, I guess you could be a ranger if you chose. No one is stopping you. Just remember to stop by a Catholic and Orthodox church for a while. Find a nice traditional mass. There is much mystery and maybe some elements of simplicity and complexity. Just do not fail to see the beauty... okay a bit off topic... I am getting sick of this Budge character's way of arguing myself. Edited March 14, 2007 by Sacred Music Man
FullTruth Posted March 14, 2007 Author Posted March 14, 2007 [quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1213323' date='Mar 13 2007, 11:30 PM']Well, I guess you could be a ranger if you chose. No one is stopping you. Just remember to stop by a Catholic and Orthodox church for a while. Find a nice traditional mass. There is much mystery and maybe some elements of simplicity and complexity. Just do not fail to see the beauty... okay a bit off topic... I am getting sick of this Budge character's way of arguing myself.[/quote] I'm actually thinking of doing that soon. I want to go to every single church in my city, just to see the worship, and to fellowship with people there.
catholicinsd Posted March 14, 2007 Posted March 14, 2007 I would journey to say that most of us here, myself at times included, either have forgetten what the literal defination of 'Catholic' is, or simply choose not to follow it.
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