Liberals Say Iraq Is Just Like Vietnam!

[RezaMikhaeil]

1.) Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was against Veitnam, you know why? Because prior to the US Invasion of Vietnam, the united states had the opportunity to promote piece in that region but didnt because the man bringing piece was pro-communist [thou morally not a bad man], therefore the United States had the man murdered. Dr. King said that just because it wasn't a democracy or a government replica of our own, doesn't nessessarily mean that it's all bad and having the man murdered just because of his views wasn't best for veitnam or our nation

2.) Neo-republicans [not conservatives because this isn't a conservative war] had declared "mission accomplished" at their party on the aircraft carrier, therefore to say "wars take time, be patient" and saying that "liberals wanted to withdraw before giving it a chance to be victorious" and idiot statements like that, have no weight. If the mission was accomplished, the troops shouldn't be dying at such an alarming rate.

3.) What is this war about?

[i]A.) WMD, never found
B.) Iraq had no links to Al-Quida
C.) Saddam was put on trial for war crimes carried out during the Imposed War, in which the United States funded, gave him the weapons for, and supported every step of the way. Even after Saddam had killed the Kurds, the following year the United States restated that they were in support of Saddam and kept trading with him.[/i]

4.) What else was the war about? Oh that's right, Oil [[b]O[/b]peration, [b]I[/b]raqi, [b]L[/b]iberation], which was what the war was originally named but was changed for public appeal. I know that everyone gets sick of hearing that Mr. Bush and his "buddies" went to war for oil but it's the facts. If it wasn't the facts:

[i]A.) The Oil in Iraq would be more then able to pay for the reconstruction of Iraq [which Bush Promised before going into war but is a promise that hasn't been kept to the American People].
B.) The Oil that Haliburton and others are pumping from Iraq and the Caspian Sea would be metered [currently the oil being pumped isn't metered and so the Iraqi and American people have no idea the amount of oil being pumped out of Iraq and the Caspian Sea].
C.) American Oil products, with english rather then arabic, wouldn't be found in Iraq[/i]

5.) Walter Reed, a common misconception is that "democrats" [labeled as liberals] don't support the troops in Iraq, don't care about them and the safety of the American people and that the "Republicans" [that like to label themselves as conservative but definately are not conservative with the american people's resources] are patriotic, love the american people and the troops that protect this nation. Let me assess this situation, because it's far from the truth. Those that are against the war, most likely do support the troops. They support the troops in the greatest sense of getting them out of harms way, in which they're risking their lives in Iraq for Oil. It's the "democrates" or "Liberals" that propose giving the troops a pay increase, it was Bush that proposed a decrease and couldn't even give them the proper medical care at Walter Reed. It's those same "liberals" that proposed not using our valuable resources in Iraq, a country that posed no threat to our nation but rather save them for a more immediate crisis [like that possibly developing in Iran].

Now let me get this straight: If Iraq doesn't have weapons of mass destruction, repeatedly asserts that they don't, and most everyone else agrees that they don't [including the bush administration before 9-11] and we invade them and waste our military resources, and then Iran does have nuclear weapons, has repeatedly said "we got em, check us out", and we don't invade them because we don't have the resources, how is that conservative? That's everything but conservative, being a conservative means that you "conserve" your resources unless its absolutely nessessary [IE: I like to conserve or save my money in order to better protect my family].

Reza

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Budge' post='1222932' date='Mar 30 2007, 08:57 AM']I want you to tell me the POSITIVE things the Iraq war has achieved.[/quote]

Halliburton is doing really well, isn't it? That's a plus.
And those investing in Halliburton (including your buddy, Michael Moore) should be doing well. That's a plus.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1223369' date='Mar 30 2007, 07:09 PM']Halliburton is doing really well, isn't it? That's a plus.
And those investing in Halliburton (including your buddy, Michael Moore) should be doing well. That's a plus.[/quote]

Halliburton has actually taken their headquarters overseas officially and will probably take the rest of their business overseas soon too, so just the stock holders are benefiting, not the country as a whole.

Reza

[Budge]

So this PRIVATE company is making BILLIONS off USA taxpayer money?

Think about that.

I knew a wife of a Iraqi "contractor", via a Bible study I was in, he was making so much money hand over fist, his wife saw it as no problem that he had been away from home for THREE ENTIRE years, with maybe 2 weeks back a year. I remember saying to friends, Im sorry but marriage and time with someone counts more then money. They had kids too who were living withOUT their Dad.

She knew I was agianst the Iraq war. I was too polite to point out of course she was for it, because it was so personally profitable for her.

This war had more to do with profit then any defense.

Look North Korea has the bomb and has been threatening us and who did we got to war with?

And why does ANYONE support the present admin even JUSt considering the MESS theyve made of the BORDER by DESIGN?

[Budge]

[quote]And those investing in Halliburton (including your buddy, Michael Moore) should be doing well.[/quote]

Michael Moore is a NWO shill not to be trusted.

Just another LEFT "gatekeeper".

he'll stump for HIllary Im sure.

His movie Bowling for Columbine made me want to puke.

The movie on Farenheit 911, most people who read and studied the news already knew that stuff about Saudia Arabia and how they are in the backpocket of you know who.

Did you know that one of Bush's cousins helped Michael Moore get his start?

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Budge' post='1223394' date='Mar 30 2007, 09:45 PM']Michael Moore is a NWO shill not to be trusted.

Just another LEFT "gatekeeper".

he'll stump for HIllary Im sure.

His movie Bowling for Columbine made me want to puke.

The movie on Farenheit 911, most people who read and studied the news already knew that stuff about Saudia Arabia and how they are in the backpocket of you know who.

Did you know that one of Bush's cousins helped Michael Moore get his start?[/quote]

so this isn't a "vast right wing conspiracy"?
this is more of a plot on the part of the Illuminate cabal?

[Socrates]

[quote name='Budge' post='1223394' date='Mar 30 2007, 08:45 PM']Michael Moore is a NWO shill not to be trusted.

Just another LEFT "gatekeeper".

he'll stump for HIllary Im sure.

His movie Bowling for Columbine made me want to puke.

The movie on Farenheit 911, most people who read and studied the news already knew that stuff about Saudia Arabia and how they are in the backpocket of you know who.

Did you know that one of Bush's cousins helped Michael Moore get his start?[/quote]
So Bush is not only behind 9-11, but Michael Moore as well?

[catholicinsd]

[quote name='T-Bone' post='1223237' date='Mar 30 2007, 04:29 PM']Yes[/quote]

No. They Dems just passed a bill to bring them home, but your happy president is refusing to allow that to happen.

Edited March 31, 2007 by catholicinsd

[Guest T-Bone]

The passed a bill so ridiculously idiotic that it would get vetoed, and they knew it. They knew the bill wouldn't do anything, ergo, they did nothing.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='T-Bone' post='1223440' date='Mar 30 2007, 09:14 PM']The passed a bill so ridiculously idiotic that it would get vetoed, and they knew it. They knew the bill wouldn't do anything, ergo, they did nothing.[/quote]

Its not like they did nothing, they put their foot down for once and they should have voted against the war from the beginning, rather then to just try and look like the good guy and play this political game.

[catholicinsd]

[quote name='T-Bone' post='1223440' date='Mar 30 2007, 10:14 PM']The passed a bill so ridiculously idiotic that it would get vetoed, and they knew it. They knew the bill wouldn't do anything, ergo, they did nothing.[/quote]

And yet loaded into that bill is the nessacery funding for that our troops it. [b]Bush will the bill to fund or boys and girls. [/b]

[Guest T-Bone]

They designed the bill to get vetoed. And yet you blame Bush. Funny.

[catholicinsd]

[quote name='T-Bone' post='1223455' date='Mar 30 2007, 11:22 PM']They designed the bill to get vetoed. And yet you blame Bush. Funny.[/quote]

Bush is the one one who is vetoing the troops

[dairygirl4u2c]

i do admit this is more complicated than vietnam. anamoly particularly made that clearer to me. then, our pulling out would cause hte war to stop. there was only fighting going on because we were there. now, the infighting will increase much more, and the people are only in that predicament because of us, particualrly White House's shading of the truth. i don' think that measns we should stay though, just more complicated. keep some special forces. give the good guys aid. (if there is an good guy?)

Edited March 31, 2007 by dairygirl4u2c

[catholicinsd]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1223463' date='Mar 30 2007, 11:26 PM']give the good guys aid. (if there is an good guy?)[/quote]

The only good guys in the nation of Iraq at present are the Christian minority.

[Guest T-Bone]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1223463' date='Mar 30 2007, 09:26 PM']i do admit this is more complicated than vietnam. anamoly particularly made that clearer to me. then, our pulling out would cause hte war to stop. there was only fighting going on because we were there. now, the infighting will increase much more, and the people are only in that predicament because of us, particualrly White House's shading of the truth. i don' think that measns we should stay though, just more complicated. keep some special forces. give the good guys aid. (if there is an good guy?)[/quote]

Exactly. A timetabled withdrawal will only get more Americans (and Iraqis) murdered in the streets. Emotional responses will not help anyone.

[RezaMikhaeil]

[quote name='T-Bone' post='1223471' date='Mar 30 2007, 09:33 PM']Exactly. A timetabled withdrawal will only get more Americans (and Iraqis) murdered in the streets. Emotional responses will not help anyone.[/quote]

You obviously don't understand the situation as it is in Iraq. The only issue that Iraqi's are united on [shiite and sunni] are that they both agree that it's acceptable to kill US Troops, other then that they're killing each other and there's nothing that the US Troops can do about it [resource wise]. The Democrates are proposing a withdraw to get our people out of there, since they are the one's that suffer the most and they aren't helping keep that country out of a civil war, it's happening with or without them there.

Mr. Bush proposed a troop increase, yes but it's still nothing more then what was in Iraq a year or two ago. A small "surge" like that isn't going to change nothing.

Reza

[Guest T-Bone]

[quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1223478' date='Mar 30 2007, 09:36 PM']You obviously don't understand the situation as it is in Iraq. The only issue that Iraqi's are united on [shiite and sunni] are that they both agree that it's acceptable to kill US Troops, other then that they're killing each other and there's nothing that the US Troops can do about it [resource wise]. The Democrates are proposing a withdraw to get our people out of there, since they are the one's that suffer the most and they aren't helping keep that country out of a civil war, it's happening with or without them there.

Mr. Bush proposed a troop increase, yes but it's still nothing more then what was in Iraq a year or two ago. A small "surge" like that isn't going to change nothing.

Reza[/quote]

I do understand the situation. You are the one who obviously doesn't understand. (Either that or you're so buried in partisanship that you're blind to reality.)

A timetabled withdrawal won't help. We'll just be piddling around until it's time to go home if we implement one.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' post='1223463' date='Mar 30 2007, 11:26 PM']i do admit this is more complicated than vietnam. anamoly particularly made that clearer to me. then, our pulling out would cause hte war to stop.[/quote]

No - it would not cause the war to stop.
Iraq is only one front in the war. We would be pulling out of a very important front.

[Maggyie]

I don't have much to say about the war. My brother is a Marine and you can guess how he feels about it, and from that you can imagine what I and the rest of our family think about it. I just have to point out that if the Democrats were serious about ending the fighting they wouldn't have loaded up all that pork into the bill. The way they did it is a nice way to score political points, but it's rather insincere