catholicinsd Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Todd, how in the Lord's name did a person as ignorant as you become a "church sholar?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Abortion is a crime, no matter what the positive law of the United States says (or any other country for that matter). That said, a doctor who performs an abortion has committed an act of murder, and should be prosecuted and punished for his crime. God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1286139' date='Jun 1 2007, 07:23 PM']Todd, how in the Lord's name did a person as ignorant as you become a "church sholar?"[/quote] Just for your information, the word "scholar" has a "c" in it. God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Well if correcting a typo is your biggest defense for supporting murder, then heaven help us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Since you evidently missed my earlier post, here it is again: [quote]Abortion is a crime, no matter what the positive law of the United States says (or any other country for that matter). That said, a doctor who performs an abortion has committed an act of murder, and should be prosecuted and punished for his crime.[/quote] God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RezaMikhaeil Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 (edited) I believe that life in prison could be worse then the death penalty, if it were harsher to some degree but also affective in habilitating those serving time. Currently the prison system is lacking severely, in that it doesn't habilitate and that some prisons are too lax. Note: This comment applies to the their question on the poll. Edited June 2, 2007 by RezaLemmyng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dairygirl4u2c Posted June 2, 2007 Author Share Posted June 2, 2007 Apo hasn't said he's advocating murder. I'm guessing he's not sure whether it's okay or not. Or, just not wanting to provoke anything. He does have a way of stating things so vaguely that sometimes I think it's a way for him to not face issues. Maybe he doen't like to admit he doesn't know, as that'd clarify a lot. Who knows, but it sure is interesting. Anyway, killing for killing isn't going to solve the problem. Full retribution in terms of death doesn't fix anything. Some retribution might be proper for retributions sake, but not death and probably not always life in jail unless there's preventative reasons. you have to allow something proportional. If they were fixed, you could proably let them out. It's a tough decision. Even I'm being somewhat vague too. I don't really know completely either. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1286159' date='Jun 1 2007, 09:46 PM']That said, a doctor who performs an abortion has committed an act of murder, and should be prosecuted and punished for his crime.[/quote] At present it isn't a crime, and certainly not one warranting death. And you know what? It probably would be a crime if not for the zealots like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jckinsman Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 (edited) [quote name='RezaLemmyng' post='1286077' date='Jun 1 2007, 07:48 PM']There's a hiphop cru called "Communalien" with a song called "Silent Screams" that you might like...[/quote] Wow ,does all that intelligence come directly from Tacoma?............... or were you raised somewhere else in this lovely liberal state? Let me guess the lakewood area? JC Okay ,I know that wasn't very nice, but it made my husband laugh! .................your comment on the other hand didn't! Edited June 2, 2007 by jckinsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RezaMikhaeil Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 [quote name='jckinsman' post='1286431' date='Jun 1 2007, 10:51 PM']Wow ,does all that intelligence come directly from Tacoma?............... or were you raised somewhere else in this lovely liberal state? Let me guess the lakewood area? JC[/quote] No I wasn't raised in Lakewood, I actually was raised 3 months of the year on Tulalip Native Reservation [Everett], then in Federalway and tacoma. However, I don't understand where your sarcasm comes from... [quote]Okay ,I know that wasn't very nice, but it made my husband laugh! .................your comment on the other hand didn't![/quote] How was my comment meant to make you laugh and why would you take it as something to mock me over? I was telling about a song that exists on this very topic of abortion, that you might be interested in [from a local hiphop cru native of washington] and you pretty much insult me. Reza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 Okay, not to bump this thread back onto topic here or anything... [b]BUT...[/b] I think this topic is complicated. I am ardently pro-life and protest against all attacks on the dignity and sanctity of human life--abortion, euthanasia, the death penalty, pornography, contraception, poverty, genocide, lack of health-care, crappy education, etc. I think that our government should concern itself with protecting [b]ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS[/b] right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (thanks John Locke)! Here's where the rub comes into play: If a person attacked you with the intent to kill you, and you and the person struggled and your were forced to kill him/her in self defense, have you committed a sin? Furthermore, should you find yourself in some sort of moral cognitive dissonance? I think the answer to that is no. If you [b]must[/b] kill in order to protect yourself or your family, there is no sin in what you've done. Although, to be honest, if I killed a person, I would have a hard time rationalizing it and getting it off my conscience. I'd sure have to have a lot of support from my confessor, that's for sure! Anyway, the point I'm making here is that if a person is an immediate threat to the well-being and safety of society, then yes, he/she could be killed by the state If a person like Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden were to be caught and imprisoned, there would be a need for the highest level of security around them, for their followers would constantly try to free them; moreover, while in prison, they could write books and articles for the New York Times and make videos and stuff that would forment their message of hate. This is why, though it is detestable and sickening, it is necessary to kill these people; [b]HOWEVER[/b], as the CCC says, such cases are few and far between these days. The average criminal poses little to no danger of escaping or spewing out propaganda that would rally the troops. I think the best thing to do in our country is to change what it means to be sentenced to prison. First of, parole is garbage. If you are sentenced to 7 years, that is your sentence. No rewards for good behavior. I behave well everyday at work, that doesn't mean I get to go home early! Furthermore, Prison needs to be HARSH, UNCOMFORTABLE, AND DEPRESSING. I don't want them playing X-box or having satellite TV or any of that stuff. They should sit in their cells for most of the day, getting out to eat and for the minimal amount of exercise that is require to avoid muscular atrophy. If they want to further their education, they have to EARN it. I'm done. Let's keep things civil, guys. No name calling. No shouting. You can murder someone with your words as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kujo Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 I'd also like to say that the life in a maximum security prison stripped of the cushiness of other prisons would absolutely be MORE of a deterrant to crime than the death penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aalpha1989 Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 i agree with pretty much everything kujo said. yay kujo! i would've said the same thing, pretty much...i've always found a moral dilemma about hussein and bin laden....idk what should be done. kujo does make some good points though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 [quote name='jckinsman' post='1285976' date='Jun 1 2007, 03:08 PM']I agree, Full Repentance is a must! Execution though?[/quote] I might have not made myself very clear in the last post. I believe that in cases of full repentance the sentence should be reduced and the one in question should not be put to death, but some other significant punishment should still be in place. But not the death penalty for those who show full remorse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted June 2, 2007 Share Posted June 2, 2007 (edited) [quote name='catholicinsd' post='1286110' date='Jun 1 2007, 07:52 PM']It because of fanatics such as you- who advocate the murder of the doctors- that the anti-abortion has been harassed so very much. The blood of many is on your hands. You would be ashamed of yourself- but you don't have those scrupples, or any. [b]You are not pro-life. You aren't even anti-abortion; as you obviously favor aborting the doctor's life. [/b] May God have pity on your murderous soul. P[/quote] I suppose I am not pro-ALL-life. I am pro-innocent-life. I do believe in the death penalty in cases where guilt is proven and remorse is not shown by the sinner. Whatever may result from that stance I can live with that on my conscience just fine. My faith teaches that the death penalty is a viable punishment for those that fit the crime. I have no reason to disagree with this judgment. And yes I hope God does have mercy on the poor sinner that I am. But for some reason my soul is quite content supporting the death penalty for unrepentant murderers. Just as an unrepentant sinner deserves hell, so to does an unrepentant murderer deserve not only hell but a physical death as well. If the murderer is fully sorry for his sin(s) then I believe some lesser punishment would be sufficient just as a repentant sinner (I believe) will often have to spend some time in purgatory. If it's "uncharitable" of me then that's the way it is. I believe true charity, true love for your neighbor, is informing them of the grave danger they can get into for these sins. True charity is NOT simply "letting things go" just so that you don't offend the other. Is it less loving to let someone go to hell, or to offend them? If I have the choice I'll take the latter any day. May be my mistake, but one I can certainly live with. Edited June 2, 2007 by goldenchild17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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