Pray To Allah, Dutch Bishop Suggests

[VeniteAdoremus]

[quote name='Akalyte' post='1361804' date='Aug 18 2007, 04:59 PM']and there's no way im going to give into the rag heads. no thanks. I'm Catholic, im in the Truth faith. I'm not going to compromise that for the sake of making suicide bombers happy.[/quote]

I don't think it would make any suicide bombers happy - we, a bunch of heathen scum worth less than pigs, suddenly claiming we worship the same God? Outrageous!

It probably wouldn't make the terrorists who fight (or, as it seems now, to our joy, fought) in the name of Catholicism happy either.

The people who would make it happy are probably the same people who like to call God "Father, Mother, Bringer of Life", and other neo-hippie stuff. So I'm not for it. But I don't see a reason to be so wildly against it, either, especially since it was suggested by a bishop.

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='reyb' post='1361788' date='Aug 18 2007, 10:38 AM']Okay. But, do you think you can attain it? And if ever, will you accept that you are like Jesus, the Christ?[/quote]

Of course we can attain it. Many saints (and many who aren't canonized) were not sinless, but they came to imitate Christ in ways that only God's grace could make possible. Of course, part of drawing closer to Christ is realizing all the ways that we fail to imitate him. I don't know if one could admit they are "like" Jesus. Perhaps only under the condition of that likeness coming only from God's grace.

More importantly, all believers will become like Jesus after he comes to restore the new Creation.

[Akalyte]

When I see a large group of muslims protesting the extremism in their own religion. Maybe, just maybe I'll change my mind. Anyhow Islam came out of the womb of paganism with a sword in its hand and ready to take on the world. (Especially Jews and Christians).

[Akalyte]

some may be fooled by modernist ecumenism. I'm not. I'm no fan of it. Some people on phatmass know me already. lol

[Akalyte]

I think ill get out of here before the moderators give me more warnings and threats. lol

[dairygirl4u2c]

so many people with icon pics of the pope. very nice pics too. he's a handsome fellow.

[VeniteAdoremus]

[quote name='Akalyte' post='1361814' date='Aug 18 2007, 05:20 PM']When I see a large group of muslims protesting the extremism in their own religion. Maybe, just maybe I'll change my mind. Anyhow Islam came out of the womb of paganism with a sword in its hand and ready to take on the world. (Especially Jews and Christians).[/quote]

Well, you can move here and read the opinion of that large group (say 90% of Muslims living here) in almost every daily newspaper. Or on the news on television. You can stay with me on the couch if you want, but I do live in a girl's house, so our living room is painted pink

[Lil Red]

[quote name='puellapaschalis' post='1361282' date='Aug 17 2007, 02:37 PM']The man has a name, you know. There are more than a dozen bishops in this country; his name has the advantage of consisting of only one word that isn't even terribly hard to spell for English speakers.

Oh yea, how's things going with that American bishop no-one likes?[/quote]


[quote name='puellapaschalis' post='1361379' date='Aug 17 2007, 05:05 PM']Has anyone managed to recall 'the Dutch bishop's' name yet without scrolling back to a post in which it was mentioned? Reducing him, by not referring to him by his name, to a mere object is simply the camel-back-breaking straw here.[/quote]

i meant no disrespect to the bishop, at all. i simply forgot his name. and since i usually type one handed since i have a baby in the other hand, maybe you should give people the benefit of the doubt without assuming that i meant to disrespect this bishop on purpose!! thanks a lot.

and yeah, i did have to go back to the first post to find his name, thank you. it's bishop martinus muskens.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1361824' date='Aug 18 2007, 08:41 AM']i meant no disrespect to the bishop, at all. i simply forgot his name. and since i usually type one handed since i have a baby in the other hand, maybe you should give people the benefit of the doubt without assuming that i meant to disrespect this bishop on purpose!! thanks a lot.

and yeah, i did have to go back to the first post to find his name, thank you. it's bishop martinus muskens.[/quote]
There is no need to apologize, because there is no rule of etiquette that says a person must repeat a man's name in every post that he makes in a thread.

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote name='Akalyte' post='1361804' date='Aug 18 2007, 03:59 PM']and there's no way im going to give into the [mod]racist-Aloysius[/mod]. no thanks. I'm Catholic, im in the Truth faith. I'm not going to compromise that for the sake of making suicide bombers happy.[/quote]

It is surely a great sorrow to Arab Christians and cultural Arabs like me (who wear Arab dress) that our costume makes us less holy than the Almighty Americans and their superior fashion sense.

Just the (sarcastic) opinion of a resident rag-head.

This is the kind of prejudice that quite literally reduces me to tears. I think this marks the end of my participation in the debate table.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Cathoholic Anonymous' post='1361831' date='Aug 18 2007, 09:09 AM']It is surely a great sorrow to Arab Christians and cultural Arabs like me (who wear Arab dress) that our costume makes us less holy than the Almighty Americans and their superior fashion sense.

Just the (sarcastic) opinion of a resident rag-head.

This is the kind of prejudice that quite literally reduces me to tears. I think this marks the end of my participation in the debate table.[/quote]
This post -- and any others related to it -- is off topic. The topic of this thread is whether non-Arab speaking Christians should start using the Arabic word "Allah"; instead of the word for "God" in their own language during prayer.

God bless,
Todd

[cathoholic_anonymous]

'Rag-head' and words like it may sound off-topic to you.

Tell me, if Akalyte had decided to refer to 'nice black men' or some other word derogatory to black people, would it still be 'off-topic'? How about if he had chosen an anti-Jewish word?

You can learn a lot about people and their opinions from the kind of language that they use. Is it OK to refer to people rag-heads in this debate forum, as long as it's 'on topic'?

EDIT: Ironically, my point has just been reinforced. The forum will not allow the use of the word n*i*g*g*e*r. That's taboo. No one would dream of using an insulting word like that. But 'rag-head', presumably, is all right.

No. It's not all right.

Edited August 18, 2007 by Cathoholic Anonymous

[cmotherofpirl]

Just because yunz can't see see other peoples warning levels doesn't mean they are not adjusted upward for name-calling. It helps if someone actually REPORTS stuff instead of just getting annoyed.

Ragheads is not an acceptable term at phatmass. End of that discussion, and back to our regularly scheduled topic.

[Apotheoun]

The topic of the thread is whether or not non-Arab speaking Christians should use an Arabic term to address God in prayer.

Now, as far as the use of the term "rag-head" is concerned, of course a debate on the use of that term is off topic. Moreover, derogatory terms in general should not become the focus of this or any other thread; instead, when an offensive term is used in a post, the post in question should be reported to the moderators so that they can take the appropriate actions based upon the rules of the forum.

God bless,
Todd
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P.S. - If you continue to bring up issues unrelated to the actual topic of this thread, I will report your posts to the moderators.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1361839' date='Aug 18 2007, 09:27 AM']Just because yunz can't see see other peoples warning levels doesn't mean they are not adjusted upward for name-calling. It helps if someone actually REPORTS stuff instead of just getting annoyed.

Ragheads is not an acceptable term at phatmass. End of that discussion, and back to our regularly scheduled topic.[/quote]
Thank you.

[cathoholic_anonymous]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1361839' date='Aug 18 2007, 05:27 PM']Just because yunz can't see see other peoples warning levels doesn't mean they are not adjusted upward for name-calling. It helps if someone actually REPORTS stuff instead of just getting annoyed.

Ragheads is not an acceptable term at phatmass. End of that discussion, and back to our regularly scheduled topic.[/quote]

Cmum, it is difficult to keep cool-headed and think of sensible things like reporting a person when without warning you come across a word with that kind of connotation in a place where you wouldn't expect to find it. I doubt anyone on here quite realises how that word sounds to Arab ears, and it gave me a nasty jolt.

That said, I apologise for not following protocol.

Edited August 18, 2007 by Cathoholic Anonymous

[Apotheoun]

It is better to report offensive posts, rather than respond to them.



God bless,
Todd

[reyb]

[indent]I really cannot imagine how bishop (I forgot his name, sorry), will ever heed the Pope in his request regarding ‘Allah’. You are all Catholics. Isn’t it? But still, what is the difference between the word ‘God’ and ‘Allah’?[/indent]

[bonoducchi]

If someone had called a priest a "boy-lover" that would have sparked massive outcry by everyone here and mods wouldn't have cared less.

Curious how we won't defend people with courage to speak out against American arrogance and Anglo-centrism.

[Aloysius]

[quote name='VaticanIILiturgist' post='1361859' date='Aug 18 2007, 01:01 PM']If someone had called a priest a "boy-lover" that would have sparked massive outcry by everyone here and mods wouldn't have cared less.

Curious how we won't defend people with courage to speak out against American arrogance and Anglo-centrism.[/quote]
yes, if it had been reported.