Roamin Catholic Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1532341' date='May 18 2008, 12:30 PM']Charity and truth can never be separated, and so it is never charitable to withhold the truth from someone who needs to hear it. In other words, sometimes a Christian may have to say something that will be quite unpopular, but he must say it anyone, because he is called upon by God to be prophet in the grace of Christ Jesus, the only savior of mankind.[/quote] Very True....Which is why I think the election section will be really interesting until November, since I know a few people who aren't afraid to speak up about what they feel is right, no matter how it may be taken... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycin Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 I think it's really telling that when people call for charity in word, others perk up and say, "Oh, but we have to tell the truth, and it might be offensive." I think it's pretty plain to see that the majority of people in this thread who noticed the "bad vibe" so to speak on phatmass weren't talking about people being firm in their stances or people not being sugar-coat-y with the stances of the Church. It's about name-calling, downright rudeness that oft had nothing to do with preaching truth, and the excessive use of sarcasm (literally 'tearing of flesh', mind you) that was used. Yes, on occasion, people trying to be firm in Church teaching did so in the most condescending manner they could possibly muster. That, too, is NOT being charitable. When it becomes more about winning an argument for pride's sake and less about sharing the truth, that's when problems develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycin Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 [quote name='Justin86' post='1532300' date='May 18 2008, 12:18 PM']Dear Lord, may all us phatmassers mend our ways, and conduct ourselves in holy charity during this election year while we debate with each other. May the love of God and His peace be ever with us. Amen.[/quote] Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Alycin' post='1532542' date='May 18 2008, 04:02 PM']I think it's pretty plain to see that the majority of people in this thread who noticed the "bad vibe" so to speak on phatmass weren't talking about people being firm in their stances or people not being sugar-coat-y with the stances of the Church.[/quote] The majority does not determine the truth. That said, just as people posting should be charitable (in truth) in what they write, so too those who read the posts should do so in charity, and not with a chip on their shoulder. Edited May 18, 2008 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Reminds me of what Clemenza said in "The Godfather": "You need one of these every so often...gets rid of the bad blood". [quote name='Justin86' post='1532300' date='May 18 2008, 12:18 PM']The Second Reading for today struck me as having relevance to this topic.[/quote] If you're looking for a kiss, don't look at me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Sadly some people see offense where none is intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachael Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1532554' date='May 18 2008, 06:07 PM']Sadly some people see offense where none is intended.[/quote] This is the Internet. It's bound to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 I hate (don't hate, appreciate) lent because of this... Oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycin Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1532550' date='May 18 2008, 06:05 PM']The majority does not determine the truth.[/quote] I fail to understand what in the world you mean by this. I made a simple statement about how most members who replied in the thread were concerned about an outright lack of charity, and were not talking about people "standing up for truth." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 [quote name='Alycin' post='1532584' date='May 18 2008, 04:22 PM']I fail to understand what in the world you mean by this. I made a simple statement about how most members who replied in the thread were concerned about an outright lack of charity, and were not talking about people "standing up for truth." [/quote] It was a reference to your comment about a majority of the people in this thread thinking a certain way. Please don't take offense, because I was simply stating a truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissyP89 Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 [quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1532344' date='May 18 2008, 02:40 PM']dust (the ultra-handsome) (the ultra-handsome) for president?[/quote] MIKolbe, Sacred Music Man, BG45, and missionseeker can all vouch for me when I say that I am seriously in favor of doing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycin Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1532606' date='May 18 2008, 06:35 PM']It was a reference to your comment about a majority of the people in this thread thinking a certain way. Please don't take offense, because I was simply stating a truth.[/quote] I agree with you on the general statement, but I don't understand how it applies. The majority of people are concerned with a lack of charity. How is that untrue? I'm still confused. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominicansoul Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 [quote name='Alycin' post='1532542' date='May 18 2008, 05:02 PM']I think it's pretty plain to see that the majority of people in this thread who noticed the "bad vibe" so to speak on phatmass weren't talking about people being firm in their stances or people not being sugar-coat-y with the stances of the Church. It's about name-calling, downright rudeness that oft had nothing to do with preaching truth, and the excessive use of sarcasm (literally 'tearing of flesh', mind you) that was used.[/quote] This is what I have encountered....and being a newbie....was very surprised..... It was like getting picked on in high school all over again! (yes, I was one of those band-nerds...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 (edited) [quote name='Alycin' post='1532648' date='May 18 2008, 04:55 PM']I agree with you on the general statement, but I don't understand how it applies. The majority of people are concerned with a lack of charity. How is that untrue? I'm still confused. lol.[/quote] Because I don't agree that there has been a lack of charity in general at Phatmass, and posts by a small number of people in one thread is not a "majority of people." One thread is not a "majority of threads" either, and people only post in threads that interest them, which means that no single thread is representative of anything of any substantive importance on any given issue. Remember, we are just talking about an internet forum. Edited May 18, 2008 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 [quote name='Roamin_Catholic' post='1532390' date='May 18 2008, 02:02 PM']since I know a few people who aren't afraid to speak up about what they feel is right, no matter how it may be taken...[/quote] Many are called but only few are chosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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