Lounge Daddy Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1818898' date='Mar 28 2009, 07:39 PM']Lounge Dady's an anarchist I believe. I think it's kind of crazy, but at the same time I can kind of dig it [/quote] Hehe. Why, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1818812' date='Mar 28 2009, 04:01 PM']She did not quote the whole article on the website. She quoted the page from Jihad Watch. Robert Spencer's commentary and his selection of the argument. By your reasoning quoting a page from Mein Kamph is not at all about Adolf Hitler but only about the applicability of social Darwinism to cultural problems. Now really, this is the last post I will make on this meta argument.[/quote] Hassan, STOP telling lies. I posted an EXCERPT of an ARTICLE along with the link to the WHOLE ARTICLE. Yes, the first paragraph is commentary from Robert Spencer, AS I STATED. So what? There is nothing secretive here. I posted an article. But I know you have an overwhelming fear of articles, since you complain about them 50% of the times that I post them, so I can see why you are upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 [quote name='Maggie' post='1818811' date='Mar 28 2009, 04:00 PM']No. But let's be honest. This article is not about pointing out the failings of Somalis or Muslims as individuals. That's not why this article was written and that's not why CBN put their Terrorism Analyst on the job. Wouldn't you agree? I'll give you three guesses why this piece was written.[/quote] Maggie, why don't you knock it off with the three guesses game and just tell us what's on your mind, if that's not to much trouble for you. Personally, I think the article is about Somali Muslims causing problems in their new communities with their backward ways. So why don't you enlighten us all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 [quote name='Maggie' post='1818802' date='Mar 28 2009, 03:53 PM']What also fascinates me is why Erick Stakelbeck, CBN News [b]Terrorism Analyst[/b] wrote this article. Is Shelbyville experiencing any terrorism that needs to be analyzed? Or maybe based on the color of their skin or their religion, it's safe to say that the Somalis are planning something. Or maybe this reporter just puts "Muslim" in Google News and runs with whatever he can find. That is about the speed of CBN, which is associated with the crackpots at The 700 Club.[/quote] Wow. Just WOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1819024' date='Mar 28 2009, 08:12 PM']Hassan, STOP telling lies. I posted an EXCERPT of an ARTICLE along with the link to the WHOLE ARTICLE. Yes, the first paragraph is commentary from Robert Spencer, AS I STATED. So what? There is nothing secretive here. I posted an article. But I know you have an overwhelming fear of articles, since you complain about them 50% of the times that I post them, so I can see why you are upset.[/quote] I never said what you did was dishonet at all. She claimed Robert Spencer was not part of this debate. Seeing as you quoted from his page that is not the case. I do not have a fear of articles. I've already adressed this and really don't feel like going over the same points again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1819026' date='Mar 28 2009, 08:15 PM']Wow. Just WOW.[/quote] I agree, it's just a shame you choose to perpetuate it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1818807' date='Mar 28 2009, 03:56 PM']So I suppose we should just ignore reports that speak ill of Somalis and all Muslims for that matter. Because there is no way a Muslim - a fellow human being - can do anything wrong. Ever.[/quote] Well, that WOULD be the proper dhimmi attitude. [url="http://www.dhimmi.org/"]http://www.dhimmi.org/[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1819032' date='Mar 28 2009, 08:18 PM']Well, that WOULD be the proper dhimmi attitude. [url="http://www.dhimmi.org/"]http://www.dhimmi.org/[/url] [/quote] Lol, who has been advocating such a position here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1819028' date='Mar 28 2009, 08:16 PM']I never said what you did was dishonet at all. She claimed Robert Spencer was not part of this debate. Seeing as you quoted from his page that is not the case. I do not have a fear of articles. I've already adressed this and really don't feel like going over the same points again.[/quote] Because Spencer posted the article on HIS website...not wrote the article himself...that makes part of this debate?? You're kidding. And you do have issues with articles. When an article is posted that you don't like...in almost every case, the article is about Muslims or Islam in general...you make a stink about it. This has been going on for months. You even once tried to suggest that the integrity of the articles was tainted because some of them come from Spencer's website...I had to remind you repeatedly that he is only POSTING LINKS FROM OTHER NEWS SOURCES, so then you changed your tactic to where news articles can't be trusted because they must have some kind of slant or bias. Your games are very tiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1819036' date='Mar 28 2009, 08:20 PM']Lol, who has been advocating such a position here?[/quote] Your comprehension skills are failing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Oh for crying out loud, please stay on topic.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1818799' date='Mar 28 2009, 03:51 PM']There are clearly [b]two[/b] perceptions - what the locals are saying and what the director of the Somali Community Center is saying. It seems to me that the director is discrediting the locals' opinions, and trying to do so in a "pleasant" way. He is basically saying that the locals are automatically wary of "strangers" or people with "a different look" - so naturally they must be unconsciously exaggerating their experiences, right? If this was an isolated incident I would definitely say that we have to remember that their are two sides, but as other posters in this thread have stated, this is not an isolated incident.[/quote] He's trying to underhandedly accuse them of racism and bigotry. I find it WILDLY ironic that the citizens of this small town are the ones being accused of backward ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1819040' date='Mar 28 2009, 09:23 PM']Because Spencer posted the article on HIS website...not wrote the article himself...that makes part of this debate?? You're kidding.[/quote] He selected part of the article and wrote a short commentary of it which you posted. I have attacked his asinine methodology, the substance of which you have never responded to. That is perfectly understandable and his work is methodologically indefensible, at least if you are interested in a scientific analysis rather than propaganda. [quote]And you do have issues with articles. When an article is posted that you don't like...in almost every case, the article is about Muslims or Islam in general...you make a stink about it. This has been going on for months. You even once tried to suggest that the integrity of the articles was tainted because some of them come from Spencer's website...I had to remind you repeatedly that he is only POSTING LINKS FROM OTHER NEWS SOURCES, so then you changed your tactic to where news articles can't be trusted because they must have some kind of slant or bias. Your games are very tiring.[/quote] lol, I've also attacked Mr. Spencer's use of selective quoting from the articles. I have not claimed this article cannot be trusted. I'm sure every factual report it makes is absolutly true. The problem with Mr. Spencer, and you for that matter, is not your ability to take in factual data, but the ability to process it an draw logically/scientifically valid conclusions from that data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted March 29, 2009 Author Share Posted March 29, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Hassan' post='1818797' date='Mar 28 2009, 03:51 PM']She continually quotes Spencer and things from his site. That is what I am criticising.[/quote] Stop LYING, again. I do NOT "continually quote Robert Spencer". In fact, I RARELY quote Robert Spencer. I quoted him TWO times this week for the first time in months. For the one-thousandth time, I post NEWS ITEMS. Who cares what site they are linked from????? Edited March 29, 2009 by Madame Vengier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1819050' date='Mar 28 2009, 08:31 PM']Stop LYING, again. I do NOT "continually quote Robert Spencer". In fact, I RARELY quote Robert Spencer. I quoted him TWO times this week for the first time in months. For the one-thousandth time, I post NEWS ITEMS. Who cares what site they are linked from?????[/quote] You don't continue to quote Robert Spencer? It is not your posting of news items that is, usually, the problem. It is that you usually draw, let's say to be kind, contestable conclusions from that data. It is your whole little jihad. Now, HSM has asked this to return to topic. I've made numerous points about the problems of methodology regarding your OP which you have avoided. If you want to respond to any more of his posts I'd suggust you stick to them. Edited March 29, 2009 by Hassan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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