George Tiller Shot To Death At Wichita Church

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1879273' date='May 31 2009, 02:30 PM']It's a mortal sin to [i]murder [/i]someone.

We simply don't believe unborn children are equal to born children--I have the guts to admit it. And that, among other things, makes me wonder about my soul.[/quote]

Winchester,

I have yet to meet a priest who defends the practice of murdering abortionists. Even the Opus Dei priests that I've heard speak on the topic have said it is wrong.

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1879257' date='May 31 2009, 02:17 PM']Not only was the action of whoever shot him immoral, it was also counterproductive and lacking prudence. Tiller will now be hailed by pro-aborts as a martyr.[/quote]


Your analysis is correct, and I have an even greater fear that with Obama in office we will see a fresh round of restrictions imposed against pro-lifers. And for all we know, this could have been done by the pro-abort crowd just like the Reichstag fire in 1933 was set by the Nazis to justify a new round of repressive laws.

Edited May 31, 2009 by Norseman82

[isilzha]

Sources have told KAKE News that Wichita abortion doctor George Tiller was shot and killed this morning at his church. Sedgwick County dispatchers confirm that a suspect has been caught near Gardner, KS, on I-35.

[url="http://www.kake.com/"]http://www.kake.com/[/url]

[Nihil Obstat]

Cases like this only hurt our pro life movement.

[Brother Adam]

He was shot while ushering during the church service according to news reports.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1879331' date='May 31 2009, 02:44 PM']Cases like this only hurt our pro life movement. [/quote]

Yeah, your are right about that.

This could have been a disgruntled ex-husband of someone who had an abortion, it could be someone whose wife was scheduled for tomorrow, or someone that got malpracticed on, it could have been someone in the midst of a psychotic episode thinking he was an avenging angel. My point is that we don't know yet enough about what went on to make judgments.

[puellapaschalis]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1879257' date='May 31 2009, 08:17 PM']Not only was the action of whoever shot him immoral, it was also counterproductive and lacking prudence. Tiller will now be hailed by pro-aborts as a martyr.[/quote]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1879331' date='May 31 2009, 09:44 PM']Cases like this only hurt our pro life movement. [/quote]

I fear this is true.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1879343' date='May 31 2009, 02:55 PM']Yeah, your are right about that.

This could have been a disgruntled ex-husband of someone who had an abortion, it could be someone whose wife was scheduled for tomorrow, or someone that got malpracticed on, it could have been someone in the midst of a psychotic episode thinking he was an avenging angel. My point is that we don't know yet enough about what went on to make judgments.[/quote]
Absolutely. I'm certainly not going to make judgements about culpability, etc. All I know is that next time there's a pro life debate going on, this case is going to be brought up and take the whole discussion on a worthless tangent.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1879280' date='May 31 2009, 12:37 PM']Of course, we don't really consider them children.[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
huh?

[Maggyie]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1879343' date='May 31 2009, 04:55 PM']Yeah, your are right about that.

This could have been a disgruntled ex-husband of someone who had an abortion, it could be someone whose wife was scheduled for tomorrow, or someone that got malpracticed on, it could have been someone in the midst of a psychotic episode thinking he was an avenging angel. My point is that we don't know yet enough about what went on to make judgments.[/quote]


Or it could be something entirely unrelated to the abortion issue... unfortunately death is the solution to a lot of issues like money problems, infidelity etc. in many people's minds

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1879351' date='May 31 2009, 02:59 PM']+J.M.J.+
huh?[/quote]
Seconded.

[In The Arms of The Lord]

May the Lord have mercy on Mr. Tiller's soul, and on the one who took his life.

Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us all.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1879266' date='May 31 2009, 12:24 PM']We can judge whether the sin was of grave matter.[/quote]
Yes, we can judge the objective nature of an action, but we cannot judge the actions imputability to an individual person. God alone judges the secrets of the heart.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1879351' date='May 31 2009, 08:59 PM']+J.M.J.+
huh?[/quote]


[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1879354' date='May 31 2009, 09:01 PM']Seconded.[/quote]
Yeah, count me as confused on that one, too.

[Resurrexi]

This whole thing is a little weird for me since he's from my city...

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1879348' date='May 31 2009, 01:58 PM']Absolutely. I'm certainly not going to make judgements about culpability, etc. All I know is that next time there's a pro life debate going on, this case is going to be brought up and take the whole discussion on a worthless tangent.[/quote]
Not really . . . just state up front that the person who killed Dr. Tiller committed a reprehensible act, in much the same way that Dr. Tiller himself had done on numerous occasion by murdering the innocent through the crime of abortion.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1879375' date='May 31 2009, 03:24 PM']Not really . . . just state up front that the person who killed Dr. Tiller committed a reprehensible act, in much the same way that Dr. Tiller himself had done on numerous occasion by murdering the innocent through the crime of abortion.[/quote]
The people I always seem to have to debate with aren't generally bright enough to leave it alone after that.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1879378' date='May 31 2009, 02:25 PM']The people I always seem to have to debate with aren't generally bright enough to leave it alone after that. [/quote]
I would simply continue to bring up Dr. Tiller's own murderous actions. I would also state several times my hope that Dr. Tiller repented before his own death, and that God shows him more mercy than he showed by his own actions in murdering innocent children through the crime of abortion.

Edited May 31, 2009 by Apotheoun

[Resurrexi]

This title is driving me nuts. It's not a church. It's an ecclesial community.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1879396' date='May 31 2009, 03:32 PM']This title is driving me nuts. It's not a church. It's an ecclesial community.[/quote]
Deep breaths my friend. Offer your sufferings to God.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1879396' date='May 31 2009, 02:32 PM']This title is driving me nuts. It's not a church. It's an ecclesial community.[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
give it a rest.