Selah Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) I know that, but I was specifically asking Eliakim to go ask a Melkite Bishop. He went to a Maronite instead. One cannot, unless they delude themselves, deny that the Melkites and the Orthodox agree on doctrinal ideas (dormition, theosis, ancestral sin, etc). There is no submitting to Rome. Eastern Catholics do not submit to Rome. They submit to their Patriarchs, who are in communion with Rome. Edited June 23, 2014 by Selah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Lulz My dads side of the family is Melkite and my mom's is Maronite. I asked my mom and she said she believes in the immaculate conception. Explain that, salad. *facepalm* you said your mom is a Maronite. Maronites believe in the Immaculate Conception. Melkites do not. Maronites used to reject the Immaculate Conception, but after the Latinization, they were forced to accept it. /repeatsherselffortheeleventyethtime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byzantine Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 *facepalm* you said your mom is a Maronite. Maronites believe in the Immaculate Conception. Melkites do not. Maronites used to reject the Immaculate Conception, but after the Latinization, they were forced to accept it. /repeatsherselffortheeleventyethtime Now, is this the official position of the Melkite Church, with the Patriarch's approval, or is it what some Melkites say (or worse, is it what the Melkite blogosphere says :) )? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Simply put, yes. There is no require. Rome doesn't get to tell the East what to do. It's not the big brother of Catholicism. There is no allow, no require. The East has its traditions, and the West has theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Now, is this the official position of the Melkite Church, with the Patriarch's approval, or is it what some Melkites say (or worse, is it what the Melkite blogosphere says :) )? This is getting tiring. And I am losing what little patience I have left. Go through the thread and read what I have wrote, as well as the links I have posted. Go talk to Melkites, go ask questions of their Bishops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 http://www.mliles.com/melkite/theotokosminorconception.shtml https://melkite.org/tag/conception-of-the-theotokos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byzantine Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 There is no require. Rome doesn't get to tell the East what to do. It's not the big brother of Catholicism. There is no allow, no require. The East has its traditions, and the West has theirs. But does it get more "primus inter pares" than a big brother? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byzantine Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 http://www.mliles.com/melkite/theotokosminorconception.shtml From the site: Melkite Greek Catholic Church Information Center is an unofficial Melkite Greek Catholic Web site and has not been reviewed or approved by any Melkite clergy person. https://melkite.org/tag/conception-of-the-theotokos Hardly a rejection of the Immaculate Conception. More an explanation of why it's not mentioned in Byzantine theology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 But does it get more "primus inter pares" than a big brother? :) The Pope is not viewed the same in the Melkite Church. He is the first among equals, but infallibility and supremecy are rejected. I honestly would have thought that you, being an Eastern Catholic, would be a little more aware of what the Eastern Churches taught. Even though Melkite does not equal Byzantine, and you may not be Melkite yourself, I would have thought you would have done at least a little research into the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Being unofficial does not change it from being what is taught. The Melkites do not accept the Immaculate conception because their view on sin is different from the West's view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 http://orthocath.wordpress.com/2011/10/10/ancestral-sin-vs-original-sin/ In this thread I also posted a radio interview with a Melkite, by an Orthodox Christian. I suggest you find it and listen to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 http://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/illuminedheart/eastern_catholics_are_they_orthodox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byzantine Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I honestly would have thought that you, being an Eastern Catholic, would be a little more aware of what the Eastern Churches taught. Even though Melkite does not equal Byzantine, and you may not be Melkite yourself, I would have thought you would have done at least a little research into the matter. Because ad hominems solve everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 http://www.stpeterslist.com/7796/6-things-you-should-know-about-the-melkite-catholic-church/ "I believe in everything the Orthodox Church teaches. I am in communion with the Bishop of Rome, in the limits recognized as the first among the Bishops by the holy fathers of the East during the First Millenium, before the seperation" - Archbishop Elias Zoghby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) Because ad hominems solve everything. "I am losing the debate, better call the person ad hominem. lulz" Edited June 23, 2014 by Selah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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