Oremoose Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]I have recently seen a picture floating around Facebook that has cought my attention. I am unsure how ot add images to a post (If you know please just message me don't tell me in the theard), But it is all words so I'll just qoute it to you all.[/font][/size] [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][quote] [/font][/size] [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Don’t like gay marriages? Don’t get one.[/i][/font][/size] [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Don’t like Cigarettes? Don’t smoke one.[/i][/font][/size] [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Don’t like abortions? Don’t get one.[/i][/font][/size] [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Don’t like Sex? Don’t do it.[/i][/font][/size] [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Don’t like drugs? Don’t do them.[/i][/font][/size] [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Don’t like porn? Don’t watch it.[/i][/font][/size] [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Don’t like alcohol? Don’t drink it.[/i][/font][/size] [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Don’t like guns? Don’t buy one. [/i][/font][/size] [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Don’t like your rights taken away???[/i][/font][/size] [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][i]Then don’t take away someone else’s.[/i][/font][/size][size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][/quote][/font][/size] [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][color=#222222]This has spun the gears in my brain for a while and I want to know what you think.[/color][/font][/size][color=#222222][/color] [size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][color=#222222]I say that this list mixes rights and morals which change the last statement. Because as I see it as a good parent the government should set laws in place that guide their children (citizens) to make the right moral choices. do you agree?[/color][/font][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Rights are given by God, there is no right to gay marriage. There is no right to an abortion. There is no right to have sex outside marriage. There is no right to porn. There is no right to be immoral. The government is duty bound as a servent of God to enforce natural and moral law and to oppose those things which are counter to nature and morality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 Don't like wife beating? Don't beat your wife. Don't like child abuse? Don't abuse your child. Don't like your right taken away? Then don't take away anyone else's. You see the stupidity in this approach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 That quote in the OP's post is indicative of today's society where consent is the sole criterion of whether something is 'good'. I like "x", therefore "x" is ok. Bob and Harry like "y", therefore "y" is ok. It completely misses the point of not only the societal impact of these issues, but also, as KofC mentions, completely misrepresents and attempts to transform 'wants' into 'rights'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oremoose Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1318988461' post='2323435'] Rights are given by God, there is no right to gay marriage. There is no right to an abortion. There is no right to have sex outside marriage. There is no right to porn. There is no right to be immoral. The government is duty bound as a servent of God to enforce natural and moral law and to oppose those things which are counter to nature and morality. [/quote] Quick question, If "rights are given by God" (See the qoute above) and I have the right to bare arms. That is conflicts with "Thou shall not Kill" (Exodus 20:13 NAB). So Not all rights are given by God, I agree most are but not all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1319023691' post='2323584'] Don't like wife beating? Don't beat your wife. Don't like child abuse? Don't abuse your child. Don't like your right taken away? Then don't take away anyone else's. You see the stupidity in this approach? [/quote] With the very arguable exception of abortion you are making a highly flawed analogy. In you examples you are specifically listing activities that directly impair and violate the rights of other individuals while the examples above were of personal vice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1319028074' post='2323615'] With the very arguable exception of abortion you are making a highly flawed analogy. In you examples you are specifically listing activities that directly impair and violate the rights of other individuals while the examples above were of personal vice.[/quote] Guns and gay marriage are a personal vice? Are you saying if individuals engage in gay marriage, smoke, sex, drugs, porn, alcohol, guns that no one other than themselves are affected?. Personal vice or not, I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name='Oremoose' timestamp='1319028062' post='2323614'] Quick question, If "rights are given by God" (See the qoute above) and I have the right to bare arms. That is conflicts with "Thou shall not [s]Kill [/s]Murder" (Exodus 20:13 NAB). So Not all rights are given by God, I agree most are but not all.[/quote] Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oremoose Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1319036932' post='2323665'] Fixed. [/quote] Not quite I was quoting from the book of Exodus as in the New american bible. that said "kill" not "murder" so it is not really fixed only sidesteped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papist Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name='Oremoose' timestamp='1319044471' post='2323749'] Not quite I was quoting from the book of Exodus as in the New american bible. that said "kill" not "murder" so it is not really fixed only sidesteped. [/quote] A more accurate translation is murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpence Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name='Oremoose' timestamp='1319044471' post='2323749'] Not quite I was quoting from the book of Exodus as in the New american bible. that said "kill" not "murder" so it is not really fixed only sidesteped. [/quote] sorry, im with papist on this one ^ The problem we are running into with the main argument is this: does activity x harm other people? (If not, they should be free to act as they choose.) Many people would say NO to everything on that list, and that my friends is the problem with the way most people think. Lets "ignore" the obvious one (abortion=murder=harming someone) ... what about smoking? second hand smoke is still rather harmful to others and this is well known, why is it still legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooterhein Posted October 19, 2011 Share Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name='Oremoose' timestamp='1318970383' post='2323318']I say that this list mixes rights and morals which change the last statement. Because as I see it as a good parent the government should set laws in place that guide their children (citizens) to make the right moral choices. do you agree? [/quote]I wouldn't go with the rights vs. morals framework. The first place I'd look is health, safety, and morals. [url="http://supreme.justia.com/constitution/amendment-14/14-health-mine-morals.html"]http://supreme.justia.com/constitution/amendment-14/14-health-mine-morals.html[/url] Then in any given example, I'd ask if the power of the State appropriately extends to regulation of that thing or behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oremoose Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name='Papist' timestamp='1319045141' post='2323752'] A more accurate translation is murder. [/quote] May i ask what translation of the bible do you use? I use the New American since it is used in the mass, I also like the Jerusalem. I own a St.Ignatious bible though I don't use it much. And each said kill not murder. So not to say you are wrong I'm just want to know what do you think is the best translation with these three respectable versions saying otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oremoose Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name='cooterhein' timestamp='1319047745' post='2323784'] I wouldn't go with the rights vs. morals framework. The first place I'd look is health, safety, and morals. [url="http://supreme.justia.com/constitution/amendment-14/14-health-mine-morals.html"]http://supreme.justi...ine-morals.html[/url] Then in any given example, I'd ask if the power of the State appropriately extends to regulation of that thing or behavior. [/quote] Good point. That puts a new spin on my perspective. thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oremoose Posted October 19, 2011 Author Share Posted October 19, 2011 [quote name='KnightofChrist' timestamp='1318988461' post='2323435'] Rights are given by God, there is no right to gay marriage. There is no right to an abortion. There is no right to have sex outside marriage. There is no right to porn. There is no right to be immoral. The government is duty bound as a servent of God to enforce natural and moral law and to oppose those things which are counter to nature and morality. [/quote] I stand corrected as a personal respectable source explained more in depth that All rights are given by God. And I agree now All rights are given by God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now