Chick-fil-a Issue Thing

[Groo the Wanderer]

[quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1343670840' post='2460294']
I read your post. I chose to ignore it and post my opinion.

Being innovative is one of my superpowers.
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nah. yer just a buttknuckle.

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Groo the Wanderer' timestamp='1343697025' post='2460474']


nah. yer just a buttknuckle.
[/quote]Stopp coveting my power, Silas.

[brianthephysicist]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1343323499' post='2459050']
Oh please can you get a like from dUSt? Unfortunately you're too phishy, and dUSt hates phish. Start being more chickeny and he'll talk.
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Please don't say that dUSt hates phish.

I not sure you understand the point of the phishy tags. It means a person is Catholic or wants to be Catholic or is trying to be Catholic, but has voiced opinions contrary to Catholocism. It warns other members that not everything the person says is true dogma without completely stripping them of their Catholic identity with the non-Catholic label. It's an attempt at a wake-up call, similar to the intent of an excommunication, used with the hope that the person comes to believe all that the Church teaches.

Personally, I'm not a fan that their posts cannot be propped, because propping posts that are in line with Church teaching would be encouraging. I'm also saddened that we cannot private message but grudgingly understand the reasoning.
[quote name='kujo' timestamp='1343324735' post='2459057']
Is it possible to voice stringent opposition to the opinions or statements of an individual without it being an example of "bashing," "slamming," or some other word meaning physical violence?
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This.

For some reason, our society believes that to have a disagreement is a personal attack. This should never be the case if we hope for open and scholarly discourse aimed at finding the truth.

[brianthephysicist]

[quote name='eagle_eye222001' timestamp='1343351572' post='2459180']
At the end of the day, this nation is pulled one of two ways. We go to the side of socialist ideology, or we go to conservative ideology. And today, we are being dangerously dragged to the socialist end. Many just want to eat chicken. But this great restaurant we live in, is currently going over a cliff to it's own destruction.
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Alrighty man, let's stop fear mongering. Yes, there are some wacked out crazy liberals that believe murdering babies is the greatest thing since sliced bread or that if you don't have at least one gay child then you're parenting wrong. Yes, there are some wacked out crazy conservatives that believe we need to 100% prevent immigrants from entering "our country" and starting a new life or that if you come out of the closet you need to be thrown in jail. Saying "liberals are bad" doesn't make conservatives good and vice versa. There's crazy people on both sides of the political extremes you mentioned, but those two things are not all there is politically. I refuse to accept that we must vote for the lesser of two evils. Instead of tearing down an opposing political view, let's all just take some time to build up something good that we believe in.

Personally, I believe that chick-fil-a did something good and that I agree with, so I'm going to build them up by vocally and monetarily supporting them. If you (no longer talking directly to EagleEye, but generally saying) don't agree, that's fine, don't tear down chick-fil-a. Instead, build up something that you believe is good.
[quote name='Marie-Therese' timestamp='1343455558' post='2459680']
If such laws exist in America, please point me toward them. There would be sufficient grounds to take those laws to the Supreme Court as violations of the First Amendment regarding free exercise. Outside the US, such laws might exist, but I speak specifically of the US here.
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Unfortunately I've been hearing a few cases by me where Christian social halls, catering companies, photographers, limo services, and even a few county clerks (the people that sign marriage licenses) have been brought to court for their religious objections. I haven't been paying very close attention to hear of any outcomes, but I do know that there are cases where people are trying to force other people to violate their religious beliefs.
[quote name='Hasan' timestamp='1343521384' post='2459834']
I mean if you financially support an organization that gives millions of dollars to organizations that want to criminalize homosexuality then people probably are going to think that gay rights are pretty low on your list of priorities. Is bigot or homophobe the right word to describe you? Probably not. They're very general and amorphous terms and can encompass about anything. And I dislike how much nuance gets lost when people throw around such catch-all terms. But I don't understand why some Catholics here do this sometimes. You all stand up and proudly announce that you're going to eat chick-fil-a, work against ending laws that legally discriminate against gays, and affirm your Church's teaching that homosexuality is an objectively disordered condition, and then are just shocked and dismayed when somebody calls you a homophobe.

I'm sure plenty of Northern conservatives had black friends or blacks who they were friendly with. But when they fought against civil rights and had published newspaper editorials announcing that blocking blacks from voting since they weren't ready for big boy political participation *cough* Bill Buckley *cough* *cough* people really weren't that willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they **really** didn't hate black people.
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I wasn't aware that the organizations chick-fil-a was supporting wanted to criminalize homosexuality. If so, then I will have to re-evaluate my position on this issue.

[Clare~Therese]

I've never been to a Chick-fil-A before but I want to see if I can find one in my area. Someone on this thread said they have peach shakes now (?) and that sounds delicious.

[homeschoolmom]

I noticed that CFA gift cards are part of the gift card display at Target. The only CFAs in Minnesota are at the UofM campus and in Mankato.... I thought it was weird that they have them here when we don't exactly have a plethora of CFAs here.

[4588686]

Got hungry and had chick-fil-a. Don't care anymore about the CEO beating his kids or hating gays or whatever this was originally about.

[BG45]

I think this picture sums up all the drama perfectly:
[img]https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/315454_173938089397787_590693477_n.jpg[/img]

[Jaime]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' timestamp='1343754283' post='2460668']
I noticed that CFA gift cards are part of the gift card display at Target. The only CFAs in Minnesota are at the UofM campus and in Mankato.... I thought it was weird that they have them here when we don't exactly have a plethora of CFAs here.
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Have you eaten at either one?

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='jaime' timestamp='1343764409' post='2460766']
Have you eaten at either one?
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I have not. I'm pretty sure I'd get lost wandering around Dinkytown looking for the one at the U... and I haven't been to Mankato in a long while.... I do make a point to eat at them while we are on vacation out east. We at at one in Maryland two weeks ago...

[Socrates]

[quote name='BigJon16' timestamp='1343591523' post='2460003']
I totally agree.



But you missed the point of my devil's advocacy.

Just for a moment switch things around. Lets say the mayor of Boston is really Timothy Dolan. Chick-fil-a-a-baby is a well loved chicken place that unapologetically supports abortion. The extremely Catholic Mayor doesn't want a extremely pro-abortion restaurant in his city jeopardizing the city's fundamental beliefs in the right to life. So he bans the restaurant from the city.


The sides would be flipped and we would be hailing this mayor as a hero, in the same way that the gay rights advocates are currently hailing Menino as a hero.
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True, though unfortunately so long as murdering unborn children is legally recognized as a "constitutional right" in this country, the pro-life mayor would not have any more legal power to block the restaurant than would the mayors of Boston and Chicago. (With even the ACLU disagreeing with them on this issue, it's unlikely they'll be legally successful in their attempts, thank God.)

Of course, pro-lifers and "gay rights" advocates would strongly disagree about the rightness of their respective causes, but that's just stating the obvious.
Obviously, we both agree that murdering unborn babies is a lot worse than believing that marriage should only be between a man and a woman (to understate the issue).

[Socrates]

[quote name='brianthephysicist' timestamp='1343751667' post='2460645']
Alrighty man, let's stop fear mongering. Yes, there are some wacked out crazy liberals that believe murdering babies is the greatest thing since sliced bread or that if you don't have at least one gay child then you're parenting wrong. Yes, there are some wacked out crazy conservatives that believe we need to 100% prevent immigrants from entering "our country" and starting a new life or that if you come out of the closet you need to be thrown in jail. Saying "liberals are bad" doesn't make conservatives good and vice versa. There's crazy people on both sides of the political extremes you mentioned, but those two things are not all there is politically. I refuse to accept that we must vote for the lesser of two evils. Instead of tearing down an opposing political view, let's all just take some time to build up something good that we believe in.
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I get your point, but the problem is that support for abortion on demand, and now the whole "gay rights" agenda, is hardly confined to a few "whacked out crazies" on the extreme fringes of liberalism, but is very much at the heart of "mainstream" liberalism, and is in fact written into the platform of the Democratic Party.
If you doubt me, just look at the policies of every Democratic president of the last 30 years or so, as well as the voting record of every Democrat in Congress. Yes, there are a few pro-life Democrats, but they are a small minority, and are largely "conservative" Dems, rather than liberals. Liberal Democrats consistently vote for every increase in funding of abortion, and against even the smallest restrictions on abortion (tattoo parlors are subject to far more regulation than are abortion mills).

Believe me, I'd be quite happy if support for these immoral agendas was confined to just a few weirdos on the left-wing fringe, but unfortunately, that's not the political reality we must deal with. I don't think any good will come from denying reality and pretending otherwise.

[brianthephysicist]

[quote name='Socrates' timestamp='1343772395' post='2460857']
I get your point, but the problem is that support for abortion on demand, and now the whole "gay rights" agenda, is hardly confined to a few "whacked out crazies" on the extreme fringes of liberalism, but is very much at the heart of "mainstream" liberalism, and is in fact written into the platform of the Democratic Party.
If you doubt me, just look at the policies of every Democratic president of the last 30 years or so, as well as the voting record of every Democrat in Congress. Yes, there are a few pro-life Democrats, but they are a small minority, and are largely "conservative" Dems, rather than liberals. Liberal Democrats consistently vote for every increase in funding of abortion, and against even the smallest restrictions on abortion (tattoo parlors are subject to far more regulation than are abortion mills).

Believe me, I'd be quite happy if support for these immoral agendas was confined to just a few weirdos on the left-wing fringe, but unfortunately, that's not the political reality we must deal with. I don't think any good will come from denying reality and pretending otherwise.
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Yes, I agree that there are tons of Democrats that follow this, I'm just trying to express the idea that a Democrat or a liberal (whichever terminology you prefer) is not a cookie-cutter creation. If people stop allowing this, we would be able to achieve the nuance necessary in gov't to actually achieve something good and right. There's things on both sides that are flat out wrong and as long as we have these cookie-cutter mentality, we will always be trapped in voting for the lesser of two evils. I cannot say that the current liberal platform is anywhere near good and I cannot say that the current conservative platform is anywhere near good. Instead of grouping a ton of issues under the same headings of liberal vs conservative, we should look at everything one issue at a time. In this case, don't yell at liberals for boycotting CFA, it's people that push for gay marriage or people that don't respect freedom of religion. Even though liberals are the majority of people in this group, I don't think it's right to sling around the idea that liberals are the problem here.

[HisChildForever]

This guy understands what's really at stake here:

[img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg0qw4Ax1s1qdv09ao2_400.jpg[/img]

[BG45]

[quote name='HisChildForever' timestamp='1343782653' post='2460917']
This guy understands what's really at stake here:

[img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg0qw4Ax1s1qdv09ao2_400.jpg[/img]
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I know the marketing director for Chick Fil-A at home...his job sounds more glamorous than it is. Sometimes he even ends up dressed as the cow when the people making a few dollars less an hour than him call off on events.