Winchester Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1351097496' post='2496993'] I'm not quoting anyone. I'm asking a simple question. [/quote] Then lose the quote marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 So your ploy is to deflect answering with a punctuation criticism on the 'webs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1351093903' post='2496963'] My definition of tyranny is improperly wielded power, whether I personally like the law or not is immaterial, to me. I've explained I never expect to see societies truly based on non-aggression, but I intend to work toward that. Much like I don't think we will ever be entirely rid of rapists, but I will forever refuse to excuse rape based on that. [/quote] I agree with Winchester, if you support any government you support rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1351098429' post='2496997'] So your ploy is to deflect answering with a punctuation criticism on the 'webs... [/quote] You're the worst psychic ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1351015354' post='2496367'] Possibly the most screwed up reason I've heard to vote for Romney. Hey, maybe we can really secure your job if we kill more people overseas. Great idea. [/quote] Yeah - way to take things out of context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1351016234' post='2496374'] But Romney is NOT a conservative tool. The Republican [i]Party[/i] [u]CAN [/u]be a tool that we can use for good, but if we put Romney at its leadership then we have a Republican Party that's pro-choice in practice, that has no qualms with mandates to violate conscience, and is more likely to egg us on into a war that will be a disaster for this country. Not to mention his economic plans would be a disaster for our country and would probably swing the pendulum of public opinion firmly towards the kind of very radical socialism we always hear fear mongering about. And honestly, supporting even more military spending than the budget we spend now is absolutely unconscionable from a Catholic point of view. It's already at such a bloated and wasteful level while people are suffering under a bad economy. Not to mention that much of that money is spent on the drone wars Obama touts as "surgical" but are really murderously killing civilians (74% of drone deaths in Pakistan have been civilians, check out these stats: [url="http://truth-out.org/news/item/10907-cover-up-of-civilian-drone-deaths-revealed-by-new-evidence"]http://truth-out.org...by-new-evidence[/url] ) with senseless disregard for morality. honestly, I can't imagine Christians being okay with the money we're spending bombing the hell out of people in such indiscriminate ways (which is what both Romney and Obama want to be doing). Talk about violation of conscience... woe is me, poor Catholic employers are stuck having to pay for insurance programs that cover people's contraceptives... meanwhile every American citizen is being forced to pay taxes to fund the indiscriminate bombing of people around the world. There is NO paradigm of Catholic morality that can justify the means by which we have been carrying out these wars. and anyway Romney has shown his true colors in backpedaling back to the type of rhetoric that would support his actual record of action in regards to mandates like these (ie when he was all for them as a governor, and now has explicitly said he doesn't think employers should be able to exclude them from their insurance plans). so we're left with two options: 1) the guy who will force religious employers to have insurance plans covering contraceptives and will bomb the hell out of places with drones overseas or 2) the guy who will force religious employers to have insurance plans covering contraceptives and will bomb the hell out of places with drones overseas see why a vote for either of them is a wasted vote? A vote for Romney is a vote thrown away. A vote for a third party, or a write in, or a null vote--those are the votes that count; those are the ONLY votes that are not thrown away, they are the votes of free thinking individuals, not pawns in a political machine. They are votes against the two people who both support things that we as Catholics are not supposed to be supporting; and they support those things on an almost equal level if not an exactly equal level. How anyone sees Romney as better than Obama in any significant area is beyond me. [/quote] By 'tool', I meant that he's willing to change his position if it benefits him. Even if he doesn't really believe what he's saying, I'd still rather he say that he's anti-abortion than that he's pro-choice. I don't see a problem with increased military spending. Obama put a LOT of people out of work by decreasing military spending. The country needs a military, and as the foremost leading country in the world (arguably), we need a powerful military. More military doesn't mean more wars and more killing - the primary purpose of our country's military is the defense of this country, and if I'm right, we're going to need it specifically for that purpose in the not-too-distant future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1351102427' post='2497018'] Yeah - way to take things out of context. [/quote] Wants to spend more on military, thus protecting your job. Believes in nation building. Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='Aloysius' timestamp='1351016234' post='2496374'] How anyone sees Romney as better than Obama in any significant area is beyond me. [/quote] I'd be willing to wager that his first day in office he will rescind the order to fund abortions overseas, just as Obama reimplemented it on his first day. That in itself is enough of a reason to not let Obama stay in office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='Winchester' timestamp='1351102978' post='2497023'] Wants to spend more on military, thus protecting your job. Believes in nation building. Hmm... [/quote] That's not what you said. What's wrong with nation building? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1351103362' post='2497028'] That's not what you said.[/quote] Fine. Then consider that a clarification of what I intended to say. [quote] What's wrong with nation building? [/quote] Do you possess the right to force people to adopt your preferred political structure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='fides' Jack' timestamp='1351103261' post='2497027'] I'd be willing to wager that his first day in office he will rescind the order to fund abortions overseas, just as Obama reimplemented it on his first day. [/quote] $40 wager. you in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fides' Jack Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 Wow - you're rich!! Tell you what, you win, and I'll respect you. A little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 I predict a ban, but then a weasely workaround. These are the idiots who don't understand teh fungible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 [quote name='Anomaly' timestamp='1351096904' post='2496988'] What is exercise authority? How is it done in human society? [/quote]Answer the question, Claire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted October 24, 2012 Share Posted October 24, 2012 (edited) At the very least if Romney wins, I would genuinely enjoy the reactions of the people on the left that would be upset about it. Edited October 24, 2012 by Ash Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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