What Does The Church Teach About That Antichirst? Could It Be Obama?

[eagle_eye222001]

[quote name='FutureCarmeliteClaire' timestamp='1352587662' post='2507882']
Elaborating on the Muslim thing, Obama (even if he's a Muslim) he's not a real one. From what I understand, Muslims are pro-life. And this might sound wrong to some people, but I wouldn't mind having a REAL Muslim as a president.

Not all Muslims are terrorists... Lol. I know some!
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From what little I know of Muslims, they do tend to actually promote the traditional family and be pro-life.....in which case I would very likely and willingly support such a candidate over a fake Christian. Heck, I'd probably support an atheist if their moral views aligned with mine. In essence, show me evidence you support the defense of innocent human life, and I'll support you on your record regardless of your Creed.

He wouldn't be accused of being Muslim as much as he would be accused of being secretly Christian.

[Annie12]

[quote name='Maggie' timestamp='1352582108' post='2507861']

Annie it's very important to be an educated citizen. Please do not get your education from YouTube videos. You know how there's all those anti-Catholic youtube videos with lots of inaccuracies and misinterpretations? unfortunately this is that type of video.

There is plenty to disagree strongly with the president about, without indulging in crackpot theories that have no basis in reality.

As a conservative it's VERY SCARY to me to see fellow conservatives going down the path of conspiracies and secret plots and other nuttiness. If the GOP becomes associated with crazy theories, we will never be able to get anyone to take the pro-life movement seriously. Honestly this is why people are able to claim that if you're against Obama, you're a racist. The only motivation people have to create videos like this Annie is because they are scared of a president who doesn't look like them and who has very different life experiences. They're scared of other religions (that's why they make a big deal about Islam).

Muslims aren't scary Annie. Do you know any? I really encourage you to find out if there is a Muslim group on campus and get to know them.

First of all you can tell the video is inaccurate because now we do have the president's birth certificate. The long form original has been released.

We know the president isn't a Muslim because it's well established he attended a Christian church for 2 decades, long before he first went into political office. In fact this is used against him since his Christian pastor is crazypants.

If the president as an adult chose to take his biological father's name, that's no different than someone entering religious life and taking a new name. That doesn't mean the nuns are operating under a false identity. Did you know that nuns keep their birth name legally? So their Social Security cards, birth certificates and driver's licenses all bear their birth name.. In the United States you do not have to complete a legal name change in order to be known by a different name. It's just your preference.

My favorite part of the video is when it says the president "allegedly" attended Harvard and was president of the Law Review. These are well-established facts that you can't manufacture. Governor Romney, Senator John McCain, Governor Sarah Palin, and President George W [b]B[/b]ush all never released their college transcripts or records relating to their education during their campaigns. President Bush's transcripts were leaked without his permission.
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I'm sorry I posted this, I have a habit of not censoring what I think sometimes. My apologies. You are right.

[FutureCarmeliteClaire]

[quote name='eagle_eye222001' timestamp='1352600988' post='2507969']
From what little I know of Muslims, they do tend to actually promote the traditional family and be pro-life.....in which case I would very likely and willingly support such a candidate over a fake Christian. Heck, I'd probably support an atheist if their moral views aligned with mine. In essence, show me evidence you support the defense of innocent human life, and I'll support you on your record regardless of your Creed.

He wouldn't be accused of being Muslim as much as he would be accused of being secretly Christian.
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Totally agree with you.

[jazzytakara]

I know that Obama has made decisions that are against Catholicism and Christianity as a whole, I wouldn't go as far as to say he is the Antichrist. He has done some good for people which shouldn't be ignored when we think of all the bad things he has done. And at the same time we must remember that he is trying to appeal to the values of his country to gain support (which isn't good either to value the judgement of the world over the judgement of God, but for all we know he gave into pressure due to personal weakness rather than fully advocating some of his policies). Romney did similar and was looking for exceptions to some Christian/Catholic values, and was not fully pro-life himself. Romney also had plans for policies that would have been anti-catholic and anti-christian as well. He was in support of aiding the poor, more so he wanted to benefit those already wealthy. And Jesus asked us to always be charitable to the poor and generous in our lives. Romney was also against many environmental protections which would be problematic for future generations who would have been left to clean up the mess. Neither candidate was a strong advocate for Christ, none of us are really. We are all imperfect, with different crosses to bare, some of us can carry them others struggle and at times fall. So it is best not to judge Obama no matter how much we disagree with his policies and opinions. Maybe we should pray that he finds his way back to Christ, and maybe also pray for a strong Christian or Catholic candidate to stand up for 2016. I know I wish this all of the time for Canada and America (Canada is highly influenced by US policies and we have some pretty immoral policies too, especially in regards to abortion sadly).

He is making questionable moral decisions, but he is a child of God just like the rest of us, his failing/fall is simply more public than our own. I am pretty sure if someone broadcast my sins across national and international boarders, people would question my faith to. There is still time for him to see the error of his ways, but for now let us pray. Changing the law won't end abortion, but changing the culture will. If the culture is against abortion, than we will have a better chance at seeing it become illegal again. Continue fighting for your believes even if you can only change one person's opinion in your life time, you have still done a world of good and made a difference. Kind of like pay it forward, pray and aid in the conversion of one and hopes they do the same for another, and so on from their. To aim big, sometimes we need to start small and appreciate how important even the smallest of impact can be. =)

[Ash Wednesday]

I tend to not take too much stock into the Antichrist/Muslim/extremist/commie accusations -- mostly I think he's just an arrogant and overrated man who gets way more praise than he actually deserves. Living in the UK, it's amazing to me that his military activity gets chastized with the verbal equivalent of a lash with a soft wet noodle from the same people who would be screaming bloody murder if this was being done by a Republican. I can imagine the same double standard is applied with his supporters at home...alas, I suppose we all have work to do, and a lot of prayers to be said. God help all of us.

Edited November 11, 2012 by Ash Wednesday

[i<3franciscans]

Try watching 2016....

Obama is not the Anti-Christ, but he really scares me after watching that movie.

[missionseeker]

He eats pork and drinks beer. He's not Muslim.


He's not really Christian, either, but he's not Muslim.

[BG45]

Not a Muslim, but I'd wager more of a "Church of Obama" than follower of Christ. I'm not willing to call into doubt his Christianity as a whole though, just because we're warned that we can't judge men's souls (and because any time people try to define "Christian" with the more than 40,000 denominations now, it becomes a "No True Scotsman" argument.).

If he is The Anti-Christ, he's in good company though. A few people who were accused of being the Anti-Christ in my lifetime:
Pope Benedict XVI
Blessed Pope John Paul II
President George W. Bush
Premier Mikhail Gorbachev
President Boris Yeltsin
President Ronald Wilson Reagan (three names at six letters apiece)
President William "Bill" Clinton
President Vladimir Putin

As for speaking one's mind, one poll last year showed one in four Republicans felt Obama was the anti-Christ. Though their methodology was pretty shoddy, so I imagine the number is lower.

[Mark of the Cross]

Ah well at least he motor mouths well. Australia's Prime Minister had to have elocution lessons just to get up to the standard of a synthetic robotic voice. Just how much power does a countries leader in fact wield? Apart from being the party mouth piece. Just asking on that one.

[Ed Normile]

Wow I have read some of the most insane stuff in this thread. As for whether the President is muslim or not, part of the quran advises to hide among the people taking their views and acting like them and to cut their throats in the dark of the night. As for his christianity, he denies that by his actions. Another posted Romney was going to help the poor, but he also wanted to help the rich too ? Do you guys think about this stuff before you post it. First off the rich create jobs, jobs that will lift the poor from their lifestyle of poverty. The rich also pay far more taxes than any other income bracket, those monies support many things, including the poor and hadicapped. I think the same person posted something about Romney wanting to destroy the environment leaving it for future generations to face. I guess they discount the fact he has children who will be included in those future generations, also that he actually cleaned up many industries while in office. Sheww, get your info from some credible place, leave the clowns like Bill Maher and John Stewart to do what they do best as professional clowns, entertain, not provide substantive news.

Wow !

ed

[Freedom]

[quote name='Ed Normile' timestamp='1352757465' post='2508745']
Wow I have read some of the most insane stuff in this thread. As for whether the President is muslim or not, part of the quran advises to hide among the people taking their views and acting like them and to cut their throats in the dark of the night. As for his christianity, he denies that by his actions. Another posted Romney was going to help the poor, but he also wanted to help the rich too ? Do you guys think about this stuff before you post it. First off the rich create jobs, jobs that will lift the poor from their lifestyle of poverty. The rich also pay far more taxes than any other income bracket, those monies support many things, including the poor and hadicapped. I think the same person posted something about Romney wanting to destroy the environment leaving it for future generations to face. I guess they discount the fact he has children who will be included in those future generations, also that he actually cleaned up many industries while in office. Sheww, get your info from some credible place, leave the clowns like Bill Maher and John Stewart to do what they do best as professional clowns, entertain, not provide substantive news.

Wow !

ed
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The predictable me gives you two thumbs up!

[Annie12]

I think were headed in to being a socialist country...

[Basilisa Marie]

[quote name='Annie12' timestamp='1352759062' post='2508755']
I think were headed in to being a socialist country...
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I'm not sure you understand what socialism is.

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism[/url]

In some ways, we already are socialist. We have things that are owned cooperatively. Socialism in itself is morally neutral, just like capitalism. Capitalism, in itself, is probably the most inherently un-Christian economic model. At it's core it's all about making as much money as you can for yourself, and to heck with your neighbor. Socialism, on the other hand, is based on satisfying human needs instead of making a profit. Obviously that's a huge over-simplification, but do you see what I'm getting at?

[4588686]

[quote name='i<3franciscans' timestamp='1352677109' post='2508259']
Try watching 2016....

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[PhuturePriest]

This thread reminded me of a song I haven't heard since the last election when nobody knew who Glenn Beck was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4