Carmelite Customs

[puellapaschalis]

LIsieux Carmel has the grill and nun's choir intact.

 

Source: I peeked.

[vee]

LIsieux Carmel has the grill and nun's choir intact.

 

Source: I peeked.

 

Hmmm.  This is from 2012 and Im not seeing anything very grille-y :unsure:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8wX3zaZtHs

 

 

 

 

edited cos I forgot to add the video! :doh:

Edited September 29, 2014 by vee8

[Chiquitunga]

The laws of enclosure are suspended during foundation.  Hence, the Nuns can attend Mass in the parish church and can occupy the front pews.  It will be reinstated once the requirements for canonical enclosure are met such as walls, grilles, etc.  

 

As for Lisieux Carmel, I have not seen their video and I am not familiar with their set-up.

 

Yup, like these recent pictures from the two new CA and ND Carmels :)

 

http://www.oakdiocese.org/ministries/religious-communities-in-the-diocese/carmelites

 

 

this is from Chrism Mass in the Cathedral a few weeks before they were enclosed, http://www.bismarckdiocese.com/index.cfm?load=news&newsarticle=458

 

they have a new site by the way, http://carmeloftheholyface.com/ :like:

Edited September 29, 2014 by Chiquitunga

[puellapaschalis]

Hmmm.  This is from 2012 and Im not seeing anything very grille-y :unsure:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8wX3zaZtHs

 

 

 

 

edited cos I forgot to add the video! :doh:

 

There the nuns are sitting in the church. The grille and choir are to the right; the grille consists of vertical wooden slats.
 

[truthfinder]

It might be that they're in the main church because it's the feast of st Therese

[graciandelamadrededios]

Yup, like these recent pictures from the two new CA and ND Carmels :)

 

http://www.oakdiocese.org/ministries/religious-communities-in-the-diocese/carmelites

 

 

this is from Chrism Mass in the Cathedral a few weeks before they were enclosed, http://www.bismarckdiocese.com/index.cfm?load=news&newsarticle=458

 

they have a new site by the way, http://carmeloftheholyface.com/  :like:

 

Thanks for sharing the website, Chiqui!

 

They have a nice galery of photos!

 

 

 

[vee]

It might be that they're in the main church because it's the feast of st Therese

 

It might be.  If there's one thing about Carmelite customs its that I'll never figure them out!

 

There the nuns are sitting in the church. The grille and choir are to the right; the grille consists of vertical wooden slats.
 

ah oui oui :french:

[vee]

Yup, like these recent pictures from the two new CA and ND Carmels :)

 

http://www.oakdiocese.org/ministries/religious-communities-in-the-diocese/carmelites

 

 

this is from Chrism Mass in the Cathedral a few weeks before they were enclosed, http://www.bismarckdiocese.com/index.cfm?load=news&newsarticle=458

 

they have a new site by the way, http://carmeloftheholyface.com/  :like:

 

I agree with the others that their website is excellent.  Im not very familiar with those Carmels but do they have the Office in Latin too, or is that just Valparaiso and her offspring? 
 

[Poverelli]

Praised be Jesus Christ! Hi! I just tried sending a PM but it says I can't. I believe you have to post 10 times before it's possible. That's wonderful you're thinking of them and discerning Carmel. I will keep you in prayer for now. God bless!

 
Hi Chiquitunga! Thank you for your reply.. I have posted 10x and still do not have messaging privileges. I am going to post an email of mine I never use:

 

[spoiler]poverelli@aol.com[/spoiler]

 

If you do not want to email for privacy purposes concerning your own email address, I understand. However, I would be grateful for your help! I feel that your knowledge could really help me in my discernment of Carmel. Thanks. :) 

 

Sorry to hijack! 

[Chiquitunga]

Praised be Jesus Christ! No problem! I'll send you an email :like:

[truthfinder]

I agree with the others that their website is excellent.  Im not very familiar with those Carmels but do they have the Office in Latin too, or is that just Valparaiso and her offspring? 
 

I'm not sure about that, but Valparaiso has recently gotten permission to do the old Carmelite breviary, so they truly are unique.

[Chiquitunga]

I agree with the others that their website is excellent.  Im not very familiar with those Carmels but do they have the Office in Latin too, or is that just Valparaiso and her offspring? 
 

 

Sorry, I didn't see your post when I was on earlier today. Yes, Buffalo, Brooklyn, Alexandria and now its foundation in Hague, ND all have the Liturgy of the Hours (Liturgia Horarum officially) all in Latin. Also the Wichita Carmel has it completely in Latin as well.

 

The JMJ Carmels have had the Carmelite Rite (O.Carm.) breviary for at least the last 12 years. I'm not sure exactly how long but know they were using it in already in '02. I heard that recently Morristown began using this breviary too. 

Edited October 4, 2014 by Chiquitunga

[graciandelamadrededios]

Carmelite Profession - Prostration

 

Please post your favorite profession photos, in particular, photos that shows the novice - prostrate and covered with petals.

 

Here you go, Chiqui!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Image 6 / 22 Surrounded by her fellow Discalced Carmelite nuns, Mother Maria Isabel de la Trinidad lies prostrate on the floor during the Litany of the Saints.

[truthfinder]

Looks like the nuns showering the petals have flipped the edge of their veils forward.

[graciandelamadrededios]

Looks like the nuns showering the petals have flipped the edge of their veils forward.

 

The large communion veil is now use to replace the grate veil.

 

Most of the Spanish Carmels and Carmels who can trace their roots in Spain normally does this, in particular the 1990 Carmels.

 

An American Prioress of a 1990 Carmel explained to me that they pulled the flap of their communion veil down to the tip of their nose during communion or whenever they face the choir grille or near the grille.

Edited October 5, 2014 by graciandelamadrededios

[graciandelamadrededios]

Hey Gracian! Sorry I didn't take the time to explain it in the email, but the interesting thing about this Carmel that I wanted to share is that they are actually a foundation from Peru to Huelva, Spain. I haven't searched yet to try to find what Carmel in Peru did this, but I thought that was pretty amazing.

 

And yeah, I only just heard of Mother Maria Isabel there, http://madremariaisabel.es/ She was in the Carmel in Elche, Spain. I've seen another site calling her a Servant of God. It's great to have more Carmelite possible saints-to-be in the running, like Mother Maria Josefa as well, http://www.madremariajosefa.es/

 

Also, I recently heard that the miracle for Blessed Mary of Jesus Crucified's canonization has been approved! This was in a newsletter from the OCD postulator general, although I can't find a link for this just now. 

 

Mother Mary Joseph of the Heart of Jesus (Madre Maria Josefa del Corazon de Jesus) was the President of the Association of St. Teresa in Spain during the time of drafting the 1990 Text.  She was one of the three Nuns who were invited and travelled to Rome to present alternative text so that it can be examined and approved by the Holy See.

 

Mother Mary Joseph was one of the Nuns St. Maravillas trusted, along with Mother Dolores of Jesus (who became the Prioress of La Aldehuela Carmel after the death of Mother Maravillas).  She was the Prioress of Cerro de los Angeles Carmel while Mother Maravillas was the Prioress of La Aldehuela Carmel.  Mother Mary Joseph died in October 2, 2004.

Edited October 5, 2014 by graciandelamadrededios

[Charbel]

JMJ

 

I came across this video with the nuns wearing the wooden cross on the outside of the scapular, which was being discussed previously on this thread. I don't understand the language, but someone who does might be able to see if there could be some helpful information about this custom. :like: Around 2:10 they zoom in on the wooden cross.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGCU7KAwU8Q</media>

[Chiquitunga]

Thanks Charbel!! Thanks a wonderful video! and it's very good quality too!

 

At 2:10 there the Novice is talking about her vocation and their life of prayer and community, and I like how she says the life of prayer for her and all of us Carmelites is a real encounter with the person of Jesus Christ (which I think is always good to be clear about from the start, which is totally different from others like Buddhist monks, etc.)

 

I cannot understand everything she says though. But yes, those are wonderful shots of the wooden Crosses! Something else I've noticed with the Italian Carmels is that their habits are really a mix of French and Spanish, and look more Spanish. Most of them trace their roots from St. Teresa's foundation in Malagon, but others from France. I'm not sure about this one. 

 

Thanks again for posting this! 

[vee]

With the celebration of the 500th birthday of st teresa of avila they have many things going on including sending her cane on an aroudn the world tour.  I came across pics of something thats been discussed on here before and thought Id post the pics.

 

From teh carmel in Rio

 

more pics are on the facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.393350494153738.1073741859.148134025342054&type=3

 

 

 

[graciandelamadrededios]

Thanks Charbel!! Thanks a wonderful video! and it's very good quality too!

 

At 2:10 there the Novice is talking about her vocation and their life of prayer and community, and I like how she says the life of prayer for her and all of us Carmelites is a real encounter with the person of Jesus Christ (which I think is always good to be clear about from the start, which is totally different from others like Buddhist monks, etc.)

 

I cannot understand everything she says though. But yes, those are wonderful shots of the wooden Crosses! Something else I've noticed with the Italian Carmels is that their habits are really a mix of French and Spanish, and look more Spanish. Most of them trace their roots from St. Teresa's foundation in Malagon, but others from France. I'm not sure about this one. 

 

Thanks again for posting this! 

 

Hi Chiqui,

 

What do you mean this Carmel has more Spanish style?

 

Please another video of an Italian Carmel with wooden crossed pinned outside their scapular.  This is Legnano Carmel but their veils are shirred.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWd5d4cxo4w

 

 

George