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graciandelamadrededios
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With the celebration of the 500th birthday of st teresa of avila they have many things going on including sending her cane on an aroudn the world tour.  I came across pics of something thats been discussed on here before and thought Id post the pics.

 

From teh carmel in Rio

 

more pics are on the facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.393350494153738.1073741859.148134025342054&type=3

 

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Wow.  The Nuns did not remove the spikes!

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With the celebration of the 500th birthday of st teresa of avila they have many things going on including sending her cane on an aroudn the world tour.  I came across pics of something thats been discussed on here before and thought Id post the pics.

 

From teh carmel in Rio

 

more pics are on the facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.393350494153738.1073741859.148134025342054&type=3

 

 

So her staff is in Ecuador now, and tomorrow will be at the Middle of the World monument! :like: (she gets around!) https://www.facebook.com/MuseoCarmenAlto/photos/a.191668267683137.1073741828.191439021039395/327945700722059/?type=1&theater

 

Then from November 28th - Dec 5th it will be in the US, http://caminodeluz.stj500.com/programacion-por-paises/

 

But so far I can only find that it will be at this parish in Alhambra, http://www.sttheresechurchalhambra.org/

 

http://caminodeluz.stj500.com/el-baston-de-la-santa/

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a playlist with the places it's been so far, Uploads from VCentenarioSTJ

and they visited Chiqui!!! (her body is under the grille of the nuns' choir)  :nun2:

 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvH3S2hY5OM&list=UUXlUoKBZBG-GYbYTbdDNJXg&feature=player_detailpage#t=6

 

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.396181617203959.1073741862.148134025342054&type=3

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGCU7KAwU8Q</media>

 


Hi Chiqui,

 

What do you mean this Carmel has more Spanish style?

 

Hi Gracian! Sorry I almost missed seeing this question. I feel like their veils looked more Spanish than French because of the way the dail veil lies across their forehead, though it's not shirred. Most Spanish cloistered nuns seem to have it this way as well, like Dominicans and Conceptionists (although not Carthusians). So I feel it overall looks more Spanish, although other parts look more French.

 

Edited by Chiquitunga
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So her staff is in Ecuador now, and tomorrow will be at the Middle of the World monument! :like: (she gets around!) https://www.facebook.com/MuseoCarmenAlto/photos/a.191668267683137.1073741828.191439021039395/327945700722059/?type=1&theater

 

Then from November 28th - Dec 5th it will be in the US, http://caminodeluz.stj500.com/programacion-por-paises/

 

But so far I can only find that it will be at this parish in Alhambra, http://www.sttheresechurchalhambra.org/

 

http://caminodeluz.stj500.com/el-baston-de-la-santa/

 

an English site on it, http://marcmdan.wordpress.com/st-teresa-of-jesus-avila-path-of-light-tour-stj-500-feast-of-the-fifth-centenary-of-the-saint/

 

and the rest of the tour, http://caminodeluz.stj500.com/ruta/

 

November 28th - San Antonio, TX 

 

November 30th through the 1st of December - Alhambra, CA  http://www.sttheresechurchalhambra.org/

 

December 3rd - San Francisco, CA (I wonder if it will go to Cristo Rey Carmel, it would be so wonderful if they also stopped at the new Kensington Carmel!)

 

then it's off to South Korea

Edited by Chiquitunga
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at the Carmel of the Holy Spirit in Los Andes (community St. Teresa of Los Andes was in, although it's a new monastery, original one is a museum now)

 

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pictures of Sts. Teresa and John of the Cross are from the original monastery & were in the movie :like:

 

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  • 4 months later...
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bump!

Just wondering about the custom of wearing a flower crown at profession such as when did it start?  Why do they do it and so forth.  I know the CFR sisters wear a crown of thorns and if Carmelites are wearing roses that those have less obvious thorns but those two Communities seem to be the only ones who adorn their heads with anything during vows am I right?

 

truthfinder
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bump!

Just wondering about the custom of wearing a flower crown at profession such as when did it start?  Why do they do it and so forth.  I know the CFR sisters wear a crown of thorns and if Carmelites are wearing roses that those have less obvious thorns but those two Communities seem to be the only ones who adorn their heads with anything during vows am I right?

 

​Simple answer: no.  I think we could spend an incredible amount of time posting profession pictures of nuns wearing crowns of thorns or flowers.  The Benedictines of Mary wear flowers, in the Dominican ceremony they have a choice between thorns and flowers, many Poor Clare communities do it.  Each one has a different approach to it, but it is actually pretty common (particularly among more cloistered communities).  Hopefully Sr. Mary Catherine (@smcatherine) will come in with the Dominican version of this, and an explanation of the spirituality - but I believe it dates back to the 13th century for some communities. 

IgnatiusofLoyola
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bump!

Just wondering about the custom of wearing a flower crown at profession such as when did it start?  Why do they do it and so forth.  I know the CFR sisters wear a crown of thorns and if Carmelites are wearing roses that those have less obvious thorns but those two Communities seem to be the only ones who adorn their heads with anything during vows am I right?

 

​I'm pretty sure I've read about Benedictines Communities that do this. (Didn't the Benedictines of Mary wear flower crowns when the Community made their first Solemn Proession together?) . And, (on this I am less certain), I seem to remember seeing pictures of PCC nuns wearing a crown of flowers at First Profession. In fact. one of the only old, worldwide Orders that doesn't seem to commonly wear a crown of flowers at Profession is the Dominicans. (And, even then, I am not sure if there aren't specific Dominican Communities do this.) Sister Mary Catharine can set us straight on this.

I've always thought that wearing a crown of roses/flowers at profession (especially first profession) is a lovely custom. The newly professed nun usually looks joyful anyway, and the crown of flowers only adds to her beauty (not so much "beauty" in worldly terms, but spiritual beauty). I wore a crown of flowers for my wedding (attached to a veil at the back), and I loved how it looked.  :love:

I'll look forward to an answer from one of our "Carmelite experts" on VS as to when this custom may have begun among the Carmelites.

truthfinder
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Yes, I went back and checked, and it doesn't seem that Domincans do this at profession - it seems to be part of the invesiture rite for those who have kept it.  Granted I did find this picture of a Dominican sister on her profession day

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thanks guys!  I obviously haven't looked at many profession pics!
 
 I think we could spend an incredible amount of time posting profession pictures of nuns wearing crowns of thorns or flowers.
 
Im surprised there already isn't a thread :|
 
truthfinder
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thanks guys!  I obviously haven't looked at many profession pics!
 
 
Im surprised there already isn't a thread :|
 

There was a wedding dress thread but no crown thread (except for Spanish Crowned nuns, but those were typically paintings)

Sr Mary Catharine OP
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Yes, and no! Choosing the crown of thorns when receiving the habit is a "late" addition and comes from something in the life of St. Catherine of Siena. It's not part of the ceremonial now. SOME monasteries crown the sisters at solemn profession, some don't. We crown our sisters at jubilees.
I have to admit it, I really wanted the crown at profession!

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How devoted to Mary are the Carmelites?

IgnatiusofLoyola
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How devoted to Mary are the Carmelites?

​The quick answer to your question is: Very! Devotion to Mary is a integral part of their charism.

I'll leave it to the Carmelite "experts" on VS to give more complete answers.

 

truthfinder
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Yeah, Carmel is "all Mary's"

BarbTherese
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How devoted to Mary are the Carmelites?

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I thought the pic below says it all as soon as I saw it.  The pic is from a thread by deusluxmea into Vocation Station. Thead is titled "Photos of Brooklyn Discalced Carmelite Monastery Chapel. There are some other really lovely images in that thread.

 

 

 

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How devoted to Mary are the Carmelites?

​oh you know, just a lot

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I know they are a;; Marys I am wondering what practices they do in honor of Mary.

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I know they are a;; Marys I am wondering what practices they do in honor of Mary.

​It depends on the community - each one has its own traditions and customs. Some of the customs I have witnessed have been: a different hymn to Mary every evening throughout the month of May, Rosaries daily during the month of October dedicated to Mary, Salve Regina every Saturday evening, Angelus 3 timers per day except during Easter season when Regina Caeli is recited, Scapular Novena of Our Lady of Mt Carmel, various devotional prayers and of course, the Magnificat.

 

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