fides' Jack's Mega Anti-Vax Thread

[ReasonableFaith]

On 9/29/2022 at 4:07 PM, fides' Jack said:

I think you missed the entire point of the video.

Nope. The video is intended to create hysteria. It and you attempt to do so by using a propaganda technique known as Subjects (or arguments) adjacent. 
 

On 9/29/2022 at 4:07 PM, fides' Jack said:

The video is not claiming all these people died from the vaccines.  Neither am I.

Sure you are. You’re just trying to do it und the cover of a method known as JAQing. 
 

On 9/29/2022 at 4:07 PM, fides' Jack said:

If you believe the govt numbers, then you must also provide the govt numbers for how many people died in the same time period within 30 days (in some cases 60 or 90 days) of catching a flu.  If you don't have that, you don't have anything.

Come now…you’re just making things up.

 

On 9/29/2022 at 4:07 PM, fides' Jack said:

Is that not a peep?

Nope. You seem perfectly content to see these person’s death exploited to further your support for wild and unsubstantiated conspiracy theories. 
 

On 9/29/2022 at 4:07 PM, fides' Jack said:

OK, honest question - what evidence or proof would it take for you to believe that the covid shots are deadly and that covid was way less serious than people thought?  

Any evidence from you would be a place start. 
 

It is always interesting to see the radicalized carrying water for exploitative propagandists such  as Jim Hoft et al.  Probably a nice side hustle for those with a stake in the ad revenue.  

 

 

 

[mommas_boy]

Hi all,

Long time, no see. I haven't lurked these phora in many years. In any event, I thought that I might just leave this here:

Generally, it's not a good idea to give medical advice -- or advice that might be construed as medical -- without a medical license. It opens one up to all sorts of liabilities.

God forbid that someone get sick for neglecting to seek the proper care or prophylactic treatment because of something that one of us said. Especially when it flies in the face of established science and medicine.

Practicing Medicine Without a License

Legal liabilities aside, there is also the greater question of morals.

Edited October 3, 2022 by mommas_boy

[fides' Jack]

On 10/2/2022 at 8:01 AM, ReasonableFaith said:

Jim Hoft et al

Never heard of him.

On 10/2/2022 at 8:01 AM, ReasonableFaith said:

Any evidence from you would be a place start. 

Look through this thread and you'll find links to hundreds of peer-reviewed scientific papers supporting exactly what I've said here.

16 hours ago, mommas_boy said:

there is also the greater question of morals.

I agree, morality is the greater issue.  And I've shown that proper morality makes it necessary to refuse the covid shots for a number of different reasons.

[little2add]

3 hours ago, fides' Jack said:

proper morality makes it necessary to refuse the covid shots

Are you suggesting that getting the vacine is immoral?

[mommas_boy]

6 hours ago, fides' Jack said:

I agree, morality is the greater issue.  And I've shown that proper morality makes it necessary to refuse the covid shots for a number of different reasons.

And you base this on what expertise?

None. For you have none. The scientific community has spoken clearly and with one voice. Are there risks? Yes, as there are with any treatment. But, the benefits of the treatment in question, namely COVID shots, greatly outweigh the risks when measured statistically and for populations at a whole from the perspective of public health. For you to state otherwise is at a minimum morally irresponsible insofar as it leads others to make the wrong decisions regarding their own health, and at a maximum illegal.

[cruciatacara]

5 hours ago, mommas_boy said:

And you base this on what expertise?

None. For you have none. The scientific community has spoken clearly and with one voice. Are there risks? Yes, as there are with any treatment. But, the benefits of the treatment in question, namely COVID shots, greatly outweigh the risks when measured statistically and for populations at a whole from the perspective of public health. For you to state otherwise is at a minimum morally irresponsible insofar as it leads others to make the wrong decisions regarding their own health, and at a maximum illegal.

 

This is so true. Before most medical procedures, the patient has to give informed consent. As we all know, no one can be fully informed as to all the risks inherent in any procedure because as individuals, we all respond slightly differently in any situation. But when the risks are weighed against the benefits, most sensible people choose the option that is most likely to result in a better outcome. But there are always going to be some risks, even when taking an aspirin or a vitamin supplement. That's why experts in the field of health or medicine are consulted for most things and it isn't good to try to get one's medical information from untrained people, especially online.

We simply have to look at the time of polio - I lived through it. Or the time when measles left children blind or deaf and mumps left boys sterile. We have vaccines for these diseases now, and the benefits far outweigh the risks involved.

In my family of 7 siblings, some of us caught scarlet fever (the disease that left Helen Keller blind and deaf) - a bacterial infection. We were all immediately rushed to the doctor who vaccinated everyone with what was then called 'bicillin' which was a like a super dose of penicillin. It hurt like hell but none of us ended up permanently affected by the disease. Medical science is marvellous. People aren't dying from simple infections because of medical science.

To blindly ignore all that science has done for us, and to raise conspiracy theories in public is a disservice to others. As @mommas_boyposted before, it just isn't a good idea to give out medical advice online, especially if one is not a qualified medical professional. In fact, I would say that this would rate as immoral behaviour! Opinions are fine, and everyone is entitled to their own, but opinions are not medical facts, and shouldn't be stated as such.

 

 

 

[ReasonableFaith]

17 hours ago, fides' Jack said:

Never heard of him.

Lolz…it’s Jim Hoft’s propaganda video you are amplifying in the “Experimental’ Jab Video.” Always fun to see persons who would despise him in real life carry water for him and drive his ad revenue. 
 

17 hours ago, fides' Jack said:

Look through this thread and you'll find links to hundreds of peer-reviewed scientific papers supporting exactly what I've said here.

Nope. All we find is a Mega attempt to exploit Brandolini’s Law, the number one tactic among the anti-vaxx community. 
 

[Dennis Tate]

On 9/12/2022 at 11:57 AM, fides' Jack said:

It was the same who lost their jobs and their credibility in order to warn us - and the same who were called quacks on PM.  God bless them and keep them.

Yes.....  the doctors who risked their careers to warn us will be greatly blessed and I believe that soon they will be given respect and at least some type of reward.  A shift is happening and the corrupt ones at the top are being exposed.  

[little2add]

I find the fact that Fauci profited obscenely  from the pandemic vaccine disturbing! 

 

 

[fides' Jack]

16 hours ago, little2add said:

Are you suggesting that getting the vacine is immoral?

Yes.  For multiple reasons.

13 hours ago, mommas_boy said:

The scientific community has spoken clearly and with one voice

No - in fact the voices have been very split.  Not one voice at all.  Thousands of doctors are now very much against the shots and have publicly voiced as much.  Many of them have lost their jobs as a result.  So this statement is just false.

13 hours ago, mommas_boy said:

But, the benefits of the treatment in question, namely COVID shots, greatly outweigh the risks when measured statistically and for populations at a whole from the perspective of public health.

Not according to the latest statistical studies.

[little2add]

22 minutes ago, fides' Jack said:

Yes.  For multiple reasons.

What’s wrong with you?

[fides' Jack]

13 hours ago, mommas_boy said:

For you to state otherwise is at a minimum morally irresponsible insofar as it leads others to make the wrong decisions regarding their own health, and at a maximum illegal.

For people to speak the truth in such a time there is always a risk of being persecuted.  But at the very least I have the defense of many hundreds of peer reviewed studies, and public statements from the most qualified doctors, saying exactly what I have said.

At minimum, it has always been immoral for anyone to get a covid shot, if for only the sake of prudence (there are many other reasons). 

The contents of the shots are still not entirely disclosed.  We have been told they are using mRNA technology, which in the case of vaccinations for humans is entirely new, and human testing before public release was not done, thanks to Trump and operation warpspeed.  Before we started, we had absolutely no knowledge of the side effects, short term or long term.  After we started, qualified doctors shared many, many concerns regarding both short term and long term, and were entirely ignored by both government and mainstream media.  We still don't have any proof whatsoever that there aren't absolutely devastating long-term consequences, and there's a lot of evidence to suggest there are devastating long-term consequences.  But now we also have the evidence that many countries are banning them for younger populations.  

Do you believe any of the statements in the previous paragraph are false?  Any one of the statements there would be enough to disqualify the covid shots strictly based on prudence.  

It was always immoral to get the covid shots, and it remains so today.

 

3 hours ago, ReasonableFaith said:

Always fun to see persons who would despise him in real life carry water for him and drive his ad revenue. 

I don't despise anyone.

4 minutes ago, little2add said:

What’s wrong with you?

An awful lot.  But that doesn't make me wrong on this matter.

14 hours ago, mommas_boy said:

and at a maximum illegal.

"For example, applying home remedies, offering advice, and writing about nutrition or medical conditions are not considered practicing medicine."

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/practicing-medicine-without-a-license.htm

I have never claimed to be a doctor.  I have only offered advice as I see it, and posted links to videos, articles, and scientific studies.

It would be more than a stretch to charge me with practicing medicine without a license, on a niche online forum where most people think I'm nothing more than spam.

[fides' Jack]

17 minutes ago, fides' Jack said:

At minimum, it has always been immoral for anyone to get a covid shot, if for only the sake of prudence (there are many other reasons). 

This is actually incorrect.  I meant "almost anyone".  Those who were the most susceptible to covid originally probably had enough cause that the morality of both the prudence and abortion arguments were overcome.

[little2add]

23 hours ago, little2add said:

 

On 10/3/2022 at 3:07 PM, fides' Jack said:

proper morality makes it necessary to refuse the covid shots

Are you suggesting that getting the vacine is immoral?

 

 

6 hours ago, fides' Jack said:

23 hours ago, little2add said:

Are you suggesting that getting the vacine is immoral?

Yes.  For multiple reasons

Do you so condemn people working in the medical fields (doctors, nurses, EPM’s, who Have been vaccinated and boosted in order to render care to The sick and elderly regardless of their status?  
my wife is an RN she was vaccinated and boosted and exposed herself Along with her coworkers to this deadly virus.    
  Mind you that the real possibility of exposing her elderly parents, her children, her grandchildren and me, her husband  to Covid is ever present but she goes into work every day. 

 

Her actions to takec the Covid vaccine is not immoral, In any way shape or form.   
 

i’m sorry but you are an apology to not only her but to  the medical professions who have exposed themselves to this deadly disease to save life and comfort the families who have lost loved one’s, etc. 
 

shame on you
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 4, 2022 by little2add

[fides' Jack]

I don't condemn anyone.  Nor do I judge them in any way whatsoever.

I can judge actions, though.  I don't judge your wife's actions.  I judge the actions of people like Fauci, who should be charged with crimes against humanity.

But this is not the first time I've made this claim on this forum.  I guess it's the first time you've read it.

26 minutes ago, little2add said:

shame on you

Why?

Lying is a sin, and it's one that most people commit with some regularity.  I'm sure you've lied before in your life.  But I don't think you would say "shame on you" because I called lying a sin - even though, like the covid shots, most people in the world would say that some lies are not sins at all.

26 minutes ago, little2add said:

i’m sorry but you are an apology to not only her but to  the medical professions who have exposed themselves to this deadly disease to save life and comfort the families who have lost loved one’s, etc. 

Relax.  I'm not judging anyone.  I'm not condemning anyone.

26 minutes ago, little2add said:

Her actions to takec the Covid vaccine is not immoral, In any way shape or form.   

As I said, there were probably, originally, some valid reasons to take the shot.  As I don't know you or your wife, I can't say whether it was immoral for her to take it.  I can just say it is my opinion that most people who took the shot acted immorally.  

I don't need to apologize for my opinion.

28 minutes ago, little2add said:

Do you so condemn people working in the medical fields (doctors, nurses, EPM’s, who Have been vaccinated and boosted in order to render care to The sick and elderly regardless of their status?

The fact that they were required to be vaccinated and boosted in order to render care to the sick and the elderly speaks to the severity of the health industry.  It is completely corrupt at all but the lowest levels, the individual doctors and nurses who truly care about their patients.

That fact reveals an egregious violation of the Nuremburg Code.

Edited October 4, 2022 by fides' Jack
clarification

[little2add]

11 minutes ago, fides' Jack said:

I don't condemn anyone.  Nor do I judge them in any way whatsoever

You stated repeatedly that taking the covid vaccine is immoral.

Maybe this vid will help you comprehend the meaning of “immoral”

 

[fides' Jack]

Just now, little2add said:

You stated repeatedly that taking the covid vaccine is immoral.

That doesn't mean I'm judging them or condemning them.  Maybe you need a refresher on what judgment actually means.

All Catholics are called to judge actions.  We are warned against judging persons.  But even Fauci I don't judge.  Only God truly knows the state of his soul.  And I pray that God has mercy on him.

[mommas_boy]

7 hours ago, fides' Jack said:

No - in fact the voices have been very split.  Not one voice at all.  Thousands of doctors are now very much against the shots and have publicly voiced as much.  Many of them have lost their jobs as a result.  So this statement is just false.

Why do you think that they have lost their jobs? Because of some grand conspiracy? Or because they broke their Oaths, and did harm? These folks are not heroes.

7 hours ago, fides' Jack said:

Not according to the latest statistical studies.

You are not qualified to read these studies. You do not have the degree, the coursework, nor the background in following the totality of all of these studies in order to put each individual study into its proper context. You are not a medical professional.

[little2add]

God bless the men and women who work in healthcare.  
pray for those who selfishly sacrificed so much to care for the sick and  dying souls.   

[fides' Jack]

15 minutes ago, mommas_boy said:

Why do you think that they have lost their jobs? Because of some grand conspiracy? Or because they broke their Oaths, and did harm? These folks are not heroes.

Then it's not real science, is it, when people lose their jobs because they disagree.  And if it's not based on real science, it's probably based on politics, or worse.

15 minutes ago, mommas_boy said:

You are not qualified to read these studies. You do not have the degree, the coursework, nor the background in following the totality of all of these studies in order to put each individual study into its proper context. You are not a medical professional.

I'm not even qualified to read them?  Give me a break.  Why don't you judge the studies yourself then.  There are many linked in this thread.  I've seen many more I haven't linked here.  

That's a fallacy you've fallen into, and a real one, not one made up by some gen z kids on the internet.

I guess you also think because I'm not a woman I should have no say in whether abortion is legal in my state.  Or because I've never messed with a ouija board I can't say that it's sinful and harmful to play with one.  

5 minutes ago, little2add said:

God bless the men and women who work in healthcare.  
pray for those who selflessly sacrificed so much to care for the sick and  dying souls.   

Amen!

And God also bless those who act according to their consciences, regardless of the consequences.  And God always give us all the strength to do so.

Edited October 4, 2022 by fides' Jack