Star Wars vs Star Trek

[DemonSlayer]

I voted Star Wars, I also like a bit of Enterprise.

[reelguy227]

[quote name='Didacus' date='Jul 11 2005, 08:24 AM']The majority vote might not be desireable in this voting thread.  i believe that preference of Star Wars over Star Trek is in direct proportion to the maturity level of the voter multiplied by the factor k.  (K = general knowledge of science and feasability towards realistic future).

The maturity level is seen as the characters in Star Trek are far more developped and deep, whereas in Star Wars they are simple charicatures of wannabe heroes and villains that appeal to dreamy younger audiences.  A mature man/woman of knowledge will recongnize the nuances behind the characters within the context of their struggles when enjoying StarTrek.

The knowledge level is evident to anyone with a grade 10 physics class.  Star Wars has almost no basis of science fiction other than the neat 'booms' and 'crashes' of ship and lasers.  Where Star Trek bases its fundamental futuristic 'technology' on real history, science and theories.  Even the terminology is present and can be researched and proven accurate within Star Trek episodes, and thus they serve as eductaional tools as well.

It is thus obvious in this poll that those with a combination of maturity and knowledge of science are in the minority in this forum, and nothing else is proven.

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Do you have some sort of point making others feel like carp because they are uneducated and to stupid to like Star Trek ???? :angry:

Star Wars is fantasy ,fantasy of course isnt going to be real . NEITHER IS ALIEN !! Movies are movies ,they are not meant to be based on reality ,otherwise they wouldnt be called movies . If you dont like Star Wars not being factual ,go see a documentary or better yet , a movie based on a true story !!!!! -_-


toodaloo..

[Didacus]

[quote name='reelguy227' date='Jul 11 2005, 02:34 PM']Do you have some sort of point making others feel like carp because they are uneducated and to stupid to like Star Trek ????  :angry:

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None whatsoever, just trying to see if there's fire in the mix...

I guess its not so bad, for so long as its just a feeling.... sorry nonetheless...

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Star Wars is fantasy  ,fantasy of course isnt going to be real . NEITHER IS ALIEN !! Movies are movies ,they are not meant to be based on reality ,otherwise they wouldnt be called movies . If you dont like Star Wars not  being factual ,go see a documentary or better yet , a movie based on a true story !!!!!  -_-
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Star Trek is also fantasy... but what sets a movie apart from the others?
1. recognizing one's self
2. Learning a moral?
3. Expanding one's mind?
4. Inspiring the audience towards something greater than they are?

Star Trek accomplishes these things to a greater extent than Star Wars.... -_-



toodaloo..

[reelguy227]

Star Trek cant be real anyways , travelling at the speed of light is impossible .

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Didacus' date='Jul 11 2005, 03:45 PM']Star Trek is also fantasy... but what sets a movie apart from the others?
1. recognizing one's self
2. Learning a moral?
3. Expanding one's mind?
4. Inspiring the audience towards something greater than they are?

Star Trek accomplishes these things to a greater extent than Star Wars.... -_-
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That is your opinion, and your opinion alone. Many would say Star Wars does a better job inspiring the audience towards something greater than they are (Luke, a farmboy, grows up and saves the universe is one example). There is so many emotional and moral messages in Star Wars, especially with Anakin/Vader, about the story of Anakin's fall and his salvation at the end.

If you want to know which is more culturally-impacting and inspiring, just look at pop-culture. Star Wars is a phenomenon. A 100 years from now, kids will still be hearing about a story that took place a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. Not only has Star Wars impacted and changed the film industry in a big way (ILM is a prime example), it also changed the lives of countless millions. It's a modern-day classic, a "space opera", a place where kids can dream of.

I enjoy watching Star Trek: The Next Generation from time to time, but I doubt people would be reading Trek novels in the same light as a fantasy genre. While with Star Wars, it has the pleasure to be under both sci-fi [b]and[/b] fantasy genres. Which one do you think kids would enjoy as bedtime stories, about a 100 years from now?

[Paladin D]

I want to know the Trekkies' comments on this:

William Shatner sung to George Lucas at the AFI's Life Achievement Awards (forced by stormtroopers mind you). They had two hours about George Lucas' accomplishments, and William Shatner was the first one on stage to congradulate him. A major Star Trek star, at a Star Wars event.

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v706/PaladinD/afi-shatner.jpg[/img]


I'll be posting the video in a moment.

[White Knight]

"Good, Good!" - Palpatine

[reelguy227]

Nice defense of Star Wars Paladin D ,nice defense !!!

[Apotheoun]

To all those Star Wars fans out there, "You will be assimilated!"

[White Knight]

If you ask the general public people who aren't normally Fantasy and or Science Fiction Fans. They'd most likely pick Star Wars, Star Wars is easier to get into, it has some more interesting areas, than Star Trek. Of course this is just my opinion. but I do believe this would be true.


Star Trek hasn't been good since "The Next Generation" Series. They've been going downhill since that period. and of course people could say the same for Star Wars. but the Prequal Trilogy is now labeled [b]"The Most Successful Disappointments in Movie Hostory."[/b] according to the Non Star Wars Fans.

If you look at all Three New films Yes event including Revenge of the Sith which was best "THE BEST" of the Prequals. They all made BIG Amounts of Money, they all earned back their production budget and Marketing budget.

The Star Wars Prequal Trilogy Box Office Earnings
[b]STAR WARS: EPISODE I - THE PHANTOM MENACE[/b]
Box Office Earnings:[b] $431,088,301[/b]
Production Budget: [b]$115 million[/b]
Marketing Costs: [b]$15 million[/b]

[b]STAR WARS: EPISODE II - ATTACK OF THE CLONES[/b]
Box Office Earnings: [b]$302,191,252 -$310,676,740[/b] (IMAX Helped)
Production Budget: [b]$115 million[/b]
Marketing Costs: [b]$25 million[/b]

[b]STAR WARS: EPISODE III - REVENGE OF THE SITH[/b]
Box Office Earnings [b]$370,819,889[/b] (Still going)
Production Budget: [b]$113 million[/b]
Marketing Costs: N/A

Information is from. [url="http://www.boxofficemojo.com"]http://www.boxofficemojo.com[/url]

If you wanna know for yourself Star Treks earnings heres a direct link.
[url="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=startrek.htm"]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/ch...id=startrek.htm[/url]

As you can see here, Star Trek didn't do half as well in single movies as Star Wars did. Even though this doesn't really actually say anything to proof my point. But according to the General Public, Star Wars is more popluar and fond of.

According to Box Office Mojo results on 10 movies for Star Trek they've made.
[b]Star Trek + 10 movies =[B]$755.6 million[/b][/B]
[b]Star Wars + 6 movies= $1,873.3 billion[/b]

Here are the links to prove it.
[url="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/"]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/[/url]
[url="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=starwars.htm"]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/ch...id=starwars.htm[/url]
[url="http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=startrek.htm"]http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/ch...id=startrek.htm[/url]

I support

Edited July 12, 2005 by White Knight

[Apotheoun]

This thread is comparing apples and oranges, because while it is true that Star Wars has been a very successful movie series (LOTR has actually been more successful, and is of a higher quality), Star Trek hasn't simply been a movie franchise; instead, it has also been a television franchise.

Thus, in addition to the 10 Star Trek movies, there have been 5 Star Trek prime-time television shows, which have produced more than 700 episodes all together.

1. Star Trek: The Original Series (Sept. 1966 - June 1969)
(79 episodes, plus the original pilot episode "The Cage")

2. Star Trek: The Next Generation (Sept. 1987 - May 1994)
(178 episodes)

3. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine (Jan. 1993 - June 1999)
(176 episodes)

4. Star Trek: Voyager (Jan. 1995 - May 2001)
(172 episodes)

5. Star Trek: Enterprise (Sept. 2001 - May 2005)
(98 episodes)

In addition Paramount Pictures produced one animated Star Trek series between September of 1973 and October of 1974 (22 half hour episodes).

It is estimated that the five Star Trek television shows alone have generated between 1.8 billion and 2.8 billion dollars for Paramount Pictures, and they continue to bring in revenue to the studio through syndication rights and merchandising licenses. Star Trek has been the most successful television series in history, producing more hours of entertainment than any other television series filmed in the United States. All of this television production is supplemented by the ten theatrical motion pictures and the more than 750 million dollars that they took in at the domestic box office.

Comparing a franchise that has produced more than 700 hours of entertainment and that repeats daily on television (cable and local syndication) throughout the world, really won't produce a statistical analysis that is fair to either franchise. In fact, in the long run, Star Wars would be the loser, because it is limited to 6 theatrical films, while Star Trek has made more than 700 hours of entertainment programing and will at some point in the future be back on television and in theaters with new episodes.

As the Borg are famous for saying: [b]"We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile!"[/b]

[Didacus]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Jul 11 2005, 04:25 PM']That is your opinion, and your opinion alone.  Many would say Star Wars does a better job inspiring the audience towards something greater than they are (Luke, a farmboy, grows up and saves the universe is one example).  There is so many emotional and moral messages in Star Wars, especially with Anakin/Vader, about the story of Anakin's fall and his salvation at the end. 

If you want to know which is more culturally-impacting and inspiring, just look at pop-culture.  Star Wars is a phenomenon.  A 100 years from now, kids will still be hearing about a story that took place a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away.  Not only has Star Wars impacted and changed the film industry in a big way (ILM is a prime example), it also changed the lives of countless millions.  It's a modern-day classic, a "space opera", a place where kids can dream of. 

I enjoy watching Star Trek: The Next Generation from time to time, but I doubt people would be reading Trek novels in the same light as a fantasy genre.  While with Star Wars, it has the pleasure to be under both sci-fi [b]and[/b] fantasy genres.  Which one do you think kids would enjoy as bedtime stories, about a 100 years from now?
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And this is your opinion and opinion alone...

You like watching Star Trek from time to time... I liked watching Star Wars... once....maybe watch it again in ten years while my kids are growing up... maybe...


I never said Star Wars did not inspire others to become more than they are, I said Star Trek was more successful in this department than was Star Wars.

So many emotional and moral messages? You can read as much into any 12 episodes of Star Trek than you can in the 6 movies of Star WArs...well maybe that's streching it a bit... but not much. Amongst the 700+ hours of Star Trek entertainment is folds more emotional ana moral issues being explored than with Star Wars... With added issues such as scientific and theoretical questions facing not just humans of today but possibly the future.

100 years from now Star Trek will be remembered as a series generations ahead of its time, Star Wars wil be remembered as a kid's story - maybe. I like that... a kid's story...

Star Wars has as many chances to be remembered 100 years from now than Alien (the future boggy-man), Friday the 13th, Hellraiser, SpiderMan, SuperMan, WonderWoman, Basketball, and socres of other 'nice stories' with morals and others values than can be found if someone squinted their eyes enough.

Star Trek posed serious and obvious questions during every single of its series and movies. Exploring issues that will be remembered as historical (cold war) to issues that where seen as being only emerging (cloning) to those seen as being only theoretical at the time (worm holes) and did so while still exploring the concepts of good and evil, damnation salvation, love/hate, and all that good stuff you claim for the 'nice story' of Star Wars.

[font="Times"][i]God bless the Star Trek fans, and enlighten the Star Wars fanatics....[/font][/i]

[ilovechrist]

what amazing support you all give for both Star Trek and Star Wars... the fans are usually knowledgable in the category of which they obsess about.

however, my vote goes to Star Trek. yes, if someone isn't a fan of a 1-hour episode a week (when you will soon be able to buy the Star Wars Trilogy to watch OVER and OVER again WHENEVER you want... joy... NOT!), then they probably won't be a Trekkie.

i didn't even START with the movies or television. i found the Star Trek novels! those books alone destroy my former favorites of Hardy Boys, because of the content. Gene R. worked endlessly to combine the culture we have now... and place it in the future, with his own imagination of new races, galaxies, etc. --> he did a pretty darn good job.

yes, i enjoy pod racing and lightsaber fighting as much as the next Yoda, but these two don't come close. Star Trek ideas have developed into new forms of health care--with the new medical imaging technology, bioenergetic testing, and the devices to apply medicine with (that McCoy was using) are now being used in hospitals worldwide. that's just the beginning. Star Trek, while combining with reality, gives us the freedom for our imagination to run wild (similar to Star Wars), by giving us the fantasies of traveling in space, exploring new worlds, meeting new people... humanoids.

unfortunately, Star Wars doesn't have the intensity, the room to have the continuous plots and stories run for miles... it simply focuses on a few particular characters who just happen to be the trainees/trainers, all in the Force, who go out to save the universe. they make things too simple for me to appreciate their work--but all their movies make a good rainy afternoon's watching worthwhile.

if you're going to debate over something, have something to back it up--here are my links to prove the medical success everyone has thanks to the creators of the original series' imagination.

[url="http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/05/06/issue/demo.asp"]http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/0.../issue/demo.asp[/url]

[url="http://www.icnr.com/articles/stm.html"]http://www.icnr.com/articles/stm.html[/url]

[url="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/03/15/BUGLV5J6GT1.DTL&type=business"]http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...L&type=business[/url]

[url="http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/life-imitates-star-trek-sonoprep-needleless-injection-022206.php"]http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/life-imita...tion-022206.php[/url]

[Didacus]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Jul 11 2005, 04:51 PM']I want to know the Trekkies' comments on this:

William Shatner sung to George Lucas at the AFI's Life Achievement Awards (forced by stormtroopers mind you).  They had two hours about George Lucas' accomplishments, and William Shatner was the first one on stage to congradulate him.  A major Star Trek star, at a Star Wars event.

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i think its great and very representative of Star Trek that William donated some time and energy to give homage to Lucas. It shows respect for others, and devotion to the best of human ideals and christian, even Catholic doctrine.

Unfortunately, those brash and insulting men in the white suits seem to force themselves on the poor willing William, and thus this respect and devotion to human ideals does not seem to be mutual on the Star Wars side... oh well,... i mean did Princess Laia sing at Spock's birthday? No, never did, never will...

The picture alone serves as proof of the sharp contrast between Star Wars and Star Trek!

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Didacus' date='Jul 12 2005, 09:47 AM']Unfortunately, those brash and insulting men in the white suits seem to force themselves on the poor willing William, and thus this respect and devotion to human ideals does not seem to be mutual on the Star Wars side... oh well,... i mean did Princess Laia sing at Spock's birthday?  No, never did, never will...
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What do you expect, they are the Galactic Empire!


In all seriousness, I'm glad both shows exist. Majority of Star Wars fans today (inlcuding myself) do not hate Star Trek, but we act like we do in a joking matter and for old-times sake. What I like about Star Trek is the complexity of it's story in each episode (TNG is my favorite). Star Wars is more simple, aimed for all ages (which includes children), it wasn't suppost to be a very complex tale. Both have their strengths and weaknesses, but I guess that depends on the eye of the beholder; everyone has their preferences, why not have both co-exist in the same industry? Notice how the poll isn't [b]"Which one is superior"[/b] or [b]"Which one is rules"[/b], but [b][i]"Which one do you prefer more"[/b][/i].

Though I am curious on how the new live-action Star Wars television series will do (it'll take place between episodes 3 and 4), and the CGI animated series too. Both should be coming in about a year or two.